Anonymous Comment: HIV is NOT Proof of Molecules-to-Man Evolution Plus Attacks Against the Bible

How can we know anything about anything

To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do you believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

things that we make up, pulled from the air
demonic lies
divine revelation

Question: Why do you believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened." *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

"[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In another case of just listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, "I guess I'm making the whole thing up." It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn't want God to rule over him.

Comment:

"It is interesting that you say that research done by others is 'lies, creative stories, loopy logic, and insanity' however you do not support any of your statements with evidence. Debate is essential to maintain a high quality of research in society however you must support your claims. As I am sure you know the best kind of evidence is peer reviewed research, conducted without bias. I encourage you to seek evidence to support your argument.

In response to the comment below which says that the scripture cannot be broken, I would recommend you read Exodus 21:1-11 where the God of the Bible allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave, read about god supported child abuse in Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16 which extends to bashing babies against rocks in Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9."

Answer:

"It is interesting that you say that research done by others is 'lies, creative stories, loopy logic, and insanity' however you do not support any of your statements with evidence."

Here is how these are used: this is a misquote wrapped in double-nested presupposition, masking an equivocation and the clever use of circular reasoning.

The SeekFind.net page actually says: "Evolutionism maintains itself on lies, creative stories, loopy logic, and insanity." This is a true statement and the evidence of this can be found on many pages in this site. The HIV hoax is just one of the examples. This site is filled with evidence, and much of this evidence supports the statement to which our commenter is referring. There is no problem with the research done by others. Interpretation, tainted by Evolutionistic presuppositions, of that research has many problems. The commenter is also trying to shift the burden of proof regarding whether HIV/AIDS research demonstrates Evolution. We have seen no evidence presented to support these contentions. SeekFind.net has to assume that the Atheist and Liberal websites, PBS programs, etc. would have presented evidence if there were any. (Read the article that prompted this comment)

The commenter then claims: "Debate is essential to maintain a high quality of research in society." Is that true? Is there good science to back that up or is it simply a baseless statement that is taken as an axiom? Axioms are just assumptions, things that people make up and claim to be true. Perhaps debate rarely results in high-quality research in society. How would one know that the best kind of evidence is peer reviewed research?

(Read the complete answer to the first part of the comment HERE)

"In response to the comment below which says that the scripture cannot be broken, I would recommend you read Exodus 21:1-11 where the God of the Bible allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave, read about god supported child abuse in Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16 which extends to bashing babies against rocks in Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9."

The commenter may be referring to this page: http://www.seekfind.net/Fun_Stuff_With_Evolution.html.   In the light of the commenter taking the role of sage and advising on giving evidence for statements, you will notice that none of these passages of Scripture are quoted.   That is because they do not say what the commenter says that they say.   Please refer to each of the links below for an answer to each of these attacks on the Bible.   These are just wildly false claims and we are using a ate

"I would recommend you read Exodus 21:1-11 where the God of the Bible allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave"   (This is a lie.   Read the answer HERE)

"read about god supported child abuse in Judges 11:29-40"   (This is a lie.   Read the answer HERE)

"and Isaiah 13:16 which extends to bashing babies against rocks in Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9."   (This is a lie.   Read the answer HERE)

Anonymous Comment: HIV is NOT Proof of Molecules-to-Man Evolution Plus Attacks Against the Bible

How can we know anything about anything

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