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How Long Will There Be Apostles?


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How can we know anything about anything


To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

  1. things that we make up, pulled from the air
  2. demonic lies
  3. divine revelation

Question: Why do believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened. *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, “I guess I’m making the whole thing up.” It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn’t want God to rule over him.

Lies About the Bible: Supposed Error, Apostles Should be Here--They Are  



Some people may ask, "Where are the apostles?"  They are supposed to be here until we all come to the unity of the faith.  They are supposed to be here until we all grow to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.  Since they are not there, some people claim that the Bible has an error.  That is not true.

How long does the Bible say that there will be apostles?  Until we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.  There are many false apostles, men who say they are sent who have not been sent.  That is true  The false apostles do not make true apostles less true any more than false christs make the true Christ less true.  There are also extra-biblical theologies that creatively try to explain away the Bible verses that tell us about apostles.  Let God be true and every man a liar.

Ephesians 11-13  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Ephesians 4 is correct in saying that apostles will be here until the Church comes to the fullness of Christ.  The carnal human mind rationalizes ways around this, but the reality is that God designed the Church.  We humans don't have the option of re-designing it to our liking.

Where are the apostles? The Bible says that they will be here until we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.

The structure of the Church was lost during the second and third centuries AD. Many man-made orders and structures were added in. The precepts of men replaced the precepts of God. God has been restoring line on line since before Martin Luther. In 1947, the apostles and prophets were restored to the church... along with a better understanding of evangelists, pastors, and teachers.

Only Christ can do any edifying. In understanding Ephesians 4:12-16, you must go back to the main verb, edoken, in verse 11. Christ gave the gifts. He gave the office of apostle. He gave the four ministries. Those gifts are not the persons but the Christ in those persons, as another passage says, "Christ in us, the hope of glory." The text cannot be read any other way than to understand that these gifts are performing all of this work as the gifts proceed from Christ. Grace means, literally, free gift. This is grace, and we know from Scripture that it is grace that does any work that is done. In fact, God could give no greater gift, so He gave us of Himself. He chooses to do it through apostles, ones sent. He chooses to not use those who send themselves or who are sent by men. It is plain from the Greek that it is not gifted people who do any of this work, but rather the Gift Himself does the work through the members. This is true whether it is the apostle who is totally equipping and completing the member or the member who is now also moving in the power and authority of the same gift. When any member comes into submission to the apostle, that person carries the same anointing and authority of the apostle just as long and to the extent that they are in submission. They are not submitting to a man but to Christ Himself. If you can discern the Body of Christ, you will see this. If you see this, flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but your Father in Heaven has revealed it.

You can go many places on the internet, on Christian radio, or in the religious world where you will find people twisting this Scripture. They will twist "apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;" into "teacher/pastors", or "pastor/teacher", or "evangelists, pastors, teachers", or some other misquote. It is evil to twist the traveling elders and deacons, the apostles, into locally abiding pastors. Nowhere in the Bible does it talk about locally abiding pastors. There are locally abiding elders who pastor (care for the church as a shepherd does sheep) the members, and those men receive no money for what they do. They receive a double measure of honor. The Bible says what it says. The Scripture cannot be broken. Satan hates the Bible and he hates God's church and the orders of God's church. If you see someone doing this, run, do not walk, away.



One Faith: A Song By Michael Card About The Church And The Foundation Of Apostles   read
Don't Some Theologians And Scholars Say That There Were Only 12 Apostles And That Is All There Will Ever Be?   read
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Biblical Accuracy


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Answers For Scoffers Who Claim That The Bible Can't Be Trusted. (Go)
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Are There Three Incompatible Principles In The Bible That Show Inconsistency? NO. (Go)
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Feedback Question About Supposed Contradictions in the Bible (Go)
Receiving Revelation (Go)
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Apostles


1 Corinthians 1:1-4:2 The Pattern Of Apostles (Go)
1 Corinthians 12:28-30, God Hath Set Some In The Church, First Apostles, Secondarily Prophets, (Go)
2 Corinthians 11:13-14, False Apostles (Go)
Acts 15:2-16:4, God's Order For Establishing Doctrine In The Universal Church (Go)
Acts 8:14-20, Apostles Being Led By The Holy Spirit (Go)
Aren't There False Apostles Out There? (Go)
Don't Be Fooled By The Many False Promises Of The Worldly Systems And All Their Empty Promises (Go)
Don't Some Theologians And Scholars Say That There Were Only 12 Apostles And That Is All There Will Ever Be? (Go)
False Kingdoms (Go)
Following people who were not sent by God (Go)
Galatians 2:2 Paul Went To The Other Apostles By Revelation To Make Sure He Was Not Off Track. He Was Not Independent. (Go)
God's method by which He intends to bring us all to fullness is through a body ministry operating in the Church He designed. (Go)
Was Peter the foundation of the church and the first pope? (Go)
Seek to Know God. (Go)
God's Order Works. (Go)
Isn't God's way like a smorgasbord where you can pick and choose what you want or don't want? No. (Go)
God Forbids Speculation. (Go)
Is there really any pattern in Scripture for the Church? Yes. Most people don't like it. (Go)
Holiness Brings Clearer Vision and Hearing (Go)
How Can I Know God's Will And Be Led By The Spirit Of God? (Go)
Was There Such a Thing as The Apostolic Age? (Go)
Jeremiah 23:16-22 False Prophets (Go)
Joel 2:25-32 The Restoration In The Remnant (Go)
Are the local churches to teach no other doctrine than the Apostle's Doctrine? (Go)
Matthew 11:25 God Has Hid These Things From The Wise And Prudent, And Hast Revealed Them Unto Babes. (Go)
Press Toward The Mark Of Your High Calling In Christ Jesus (Go)
The Bible -- Satan Knows that He Can Keep You in Frustration if You are Not Faithfully being Fed by the Bible. (Go)
Questions and Answers: What is the Church; How should it be governed? (Go)
Questions and Answers: What is the role of the deacons in this situation? (Go)
Receiving Revelation (Go)
Romans 8:28-29 God's purpose for our lives is that we become like Jesus. (Go)
What is the 5-fold ministry and why is it important? (Go)
Aren't apostles something from the past? (Go)
Seek The Lord For Revelation As You Read The Scripture (Go)
Taking Ground, Holding Ground, Total Victory (Go)
The Problem Of Churches That Are Not Fulfilling Their Purpose. (Go)
What does the Bible say about the government of the church? (Go)
Why is the 5-fold ministry of the Scripture so unpopular? (Go)
Aren’t there false apostles and false prophets? (Go)
The Move of the Spirit of 1948 From the Papers and Memories of Milford E. Kirkpatrick (Go)
If the Bible's so great, why don't the churches of today look like the church of the New Testament? (Go)
How can the church come to the full glory God has planned for her? (Go)
There will be a coming together of the Body of Christ in unity? (Go)
Universal Elders Traveling Ministries (Go)
Walking In Submission Will Cause You To Grow In Christ. (Go)
Can The Ministries And Offices Of The Church Be Counterfeited? (Go)
What do the Scriptures teach how God designed the Church? (Go)
What is the Real Church, and what is its purpose? (Go)
What is the Scriptural Order of Apostles (Go)
Your Purpose in Life (Go)
Did God restore the 5-fold ministry? (Go)
John 3:16 What does it really mean? (Go)
Apostles and the 5-fold Ministries In the Bible (Go)
Questions and Answers: Please help me to connect the old testament ministers to the new testament fivefold offices clearly stating the similarities of these offices. (Go)
Bible Dictionary: Define Apostle, Definition of Apostle (Go)
The Duration of the Apostles--How Long Will Apostles Be In the Church? (Go)
What Does the Bible Say About False Apostles, False Prophets, False Teachers, and False Pastors? (Go)
Apostles are NOT Infallible. There are NO Infallible Human Beings. (Go)
Apostles Equip the Church with the Foundation (Go)
Apostles Equip the Church with Doctrine and Revelation (Go)
Apostles Equip the Church with Government (Go)
Apostles Equip the Members of the Churches with Spiritual Gifts (Go)
Twenty Apostles are Named in the New Testament of the Bible (Go)
Apostles Had the Ministries of Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, and Teacher (Go)
Who Sets an Apostle? How Do Apostles Become Apostles? (Go)


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