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Are we all descendants of fish or rocks?



Obey your flesh and descend into darkness

How can we know anything about anything


To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do you believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

  1. things that we make up, pulled from the air
  2. demonic lies
  3. divine revelation

Question: Why do you believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened." *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

"[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In another case of just listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, "I guess I'm making the whole thing up." It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn't want God to rule over him.

Both materialistic evolutionary theory and theistic (God-controlled) evolutionary theory claim that we are all descendants of fish.  "Of late, evolutionary family trees have been unraveling, and this comes as no surprise if macro-evolutionary theory is largely false."  (read more)   So, there are many new proposals of "trees of life" being developed, and these new trees conflict with the old tree of live.  These new supposed trees of life are not working for Evolutionists, so the whole lineage is up for grabs.  Lots of money to be made here for enterprising scientists with a strong imagination and story-telling ability.  Just  to verify that Evolutionists say that you are a decedent of a fish, go to this Evolution site, here, and you will see a picture of a fish with the caption, "my 195 millionth cousin.  So, Both materialistic evolutionary stories and theistic (God-controlled) evolutionary stories claim that we are all descendants of fish, but who could believe such a message? 

In general, Evolutionists will not use this terminology.  They will not say, "we are all descendents of rocks."  You won't hear them say, "we are descendant's of the fish."  They will say something that sounds much more scientific or at least poetic, but having the same meaning.  The trick is to make it scientific sounding enough to keep the grant money flowing.  

Only someone who wants to avoid the real God.

It gets worse.  Evolutionism teaches that we all came from rocks, violating known scientific laws to do so.  Maybe here we should use the term, Darwinism, because Evolutionists play all kinds of games with the word, Evolution.  (read more)  Darwinism tries to tell a story of going from NO LIFE to LIFE.  The method is very fuzzy.  No one has ever been able to create life from non-life in a scientific experiment.  (read more)  (and more)   Evolutionists can't even show a workable way that we could have evolved or that the first cell could have been formed.  Evolutionists have stories--made-up stories that say the water dripped on rocks for millions of years and created a primordial soup, although they don't agree on what a primordial soup might be.  It is a very fluffy and plastic story with many blank spaces and much that is undefined.  Because Evolutionists have no compelling evidence, they have now just gone to loopy logic, emotional arguments, name-calling, coercion to control any other information leaking out, and declaring evolution to be a fact.  If Evolutionists had a compelling story, they would not use such tactics.

Someone may say, "Natural selection shows a truly plausible, elegant way, of how over billions of years, organisms have evolved to survive and propagate their genes through reproduction."  If someone tells you this, ask them to define natural selection.  They will not be able to tell you the specifics of how this would possibly create what is described in the stories of Darwinism.  There is no agreed-on definition of natural selection.  And the name is very deceptive, as Darwin himself admitted.  The word, selection, implies an intelligence, because Darwin was trying to replace God.  But there is no natural mechanism for intelligence in a materialistic worldview.  We can observe a process of elimination of deformed living things.  There is no process by which information could possibly be added to the cell.  (read more)  
 
Given the scientific facts that have been uncovered, a person would have to be willingly ignorant to believe such a thing.  They would have to want very badly not to know about God's power and sovereignty, wouldn't they?  They would have to just blind their eyes.

Someone may say: "With the evidence held, evolution is regarded as a fact within the scientific community, as much a fact as the heliocentric theory of the solar system and the theory of gravitation."  And Evolutionist who would say such a thing does not understand the difference between observational science and forensic science.  They may say, "Belief in God and creation do not represent the view of the scientific community at all."  If an Evolutionist says such a thing to you, remind them that they are trying to use the logical fallacy known as "band wagon" to prove their point.  Most scientists are members of the Atheistic religion, and most of them buy into Evolutionism.  Of course, they have to.  If they don't, knuckle under, they suffer extreme persecution.  Message control stops good science regarding origins from happening.  The fact that the majority of scientists believe in Darwinism does not prove a thing any more than the fact that any other group of people not believing in Darwinism could disprove Evolution.  Make them stick with the facts rather than using loopy logic and emotional arguments.  
 
You and I know that God created us and God knows that we know.  
 
There is a lot that you and I know about God just by looking at the creation. The Bible is very clear that God speaks to you through the Bible, and not only through the Bible. In Paul's letter to the Romans, it says that everything that can be known about God, and the Godhead (including Jesus and the Holy Ghost), is known to you and I through the things that He has created. When you look at the creation around you, God speaks to you through your conscience. That's why you know right from wrong. That is why you know that you are helpless to save yourself from your own sin. Though your conscience can lose its sensitivity when you continually ignore it, it is still there, and God speaks to you through it.

Only a fool would say in his heart there is no God.  
 
God has made Himself very obvious in the things that He has created. And God knows that you know. He knows your thoughts even better than you do. You get confused with rationalized supposition and trying to hide your own sinful nature from others and from yourself. God is never confused. He is not impressed with phony arguments or human logic. It's between you and God, not anything else.  
 
You can't fool God. No one can. He knows.  
Romans 1:20  
2 Peter 3  
Psalm 94:9,10




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