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What is Great Babylon and How is it Falling Today?


Wisdom, Righteousness, Holiness, and Redemption

How can we know anything about anything


To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

  1. things that we make up, pulled from the air
  2. demonic lies
  3. divine revelation

Question: Why do believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened. *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, “I guess I’m making the whole thing up.” It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn’t want God to rule over him.

Great Babylon of the Apocalypse is the confusion of voices. It is the divided church, squabbling, making merchandise of the saints and of religion. It is the divisional denominational system that has the unbelievers so mixed up that they wonder who they should believe.

Babylon has come into existence from man-made forms, rituals, and governments--church orders that in no way reflect the orders that are established in Scripture. How many 1 Corinthians 14 church services have you been in?  Instead of multiple elders, co-equal, who shepherd the flock, and deacons, we see ministries that lift up men (and women) so Christ is not the one who gets the glory.  We see organizations and persons and doctrines idolized in spiritual fornication.  The humility that was in the apostolic office is gone from these organizations.  Rather than one unified voice of a Spirit-led, Spirit-powered Church, we have thousands of voices of rationalized dogmas and fights over turf and competitiveness.  This is Babylon.

Here is just one example clipped from a news article: "All references to marriage and chastity are gone, along with the language about refusal to repent of sin. The new language speaks instead of submission to the Lordship of Christ and being guided by Scripture and confessions. In any other context, that language might not seem revolutionary, but in this case, it means the denomination’s surrender to those pushing for the normalization of homosexuality."  source

Jesus prayed that we would all be one, but we need to become one with the Father and the Son before we can ever become one with each other.  Ephesians 4 shows how we will become one, and it won't be by any ecumenical movement.  Jesus prayed that we become one so that the world would believe.  When we become one, the world will believe.

Revelation 18  
1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.  
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.  
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication [speaks of idolatry], and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.  
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.  
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.  
6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.  
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.  
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.  
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,  
10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.  
11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:  
12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,  
13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.  
14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.  
15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,  
16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!  
17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,  
18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!  
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.  
20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.  
21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.  
22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;  
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.  
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.




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Apocalypse


Luke 2:35 (Yea, A Sword Shall Pierce Through Thy Own Soul Also,) That The Thoughts Of Many Hearts May Be Revealed [Apokalupto: Removal Of A Veil] (Go)
Matthew 24:27 As The Lightning Cometh Out Of The East, And Shineth Even Unto The West; So Shall Also The [Abiding Presence] Of The Son Of Man Be. (Go)
1 Corinthians 14:26 The Scriptural Church service: all things be done unto edifying. (Go)
1 Corinthians 14:6 . . . Speak To You Either By Revelation [Apokalupsis: Removal Of A Covering Or Veil], Or By Knowledge, Or By Prophesying, Or By Doctrine? (Go)
1 Corinthians 14:29-33 You May All Prophesy One By One (Go)
1 Corinthians 14:30 If Any Thing Be Revealed [Apokalupto: Removal Of A Veil] To Another That Sitteth By, Let The First Hold His Peace. (Go)
1 Peter 4:13 Rejoice In Partaking of Christ's Sufferings; That, When His Glory Shall Be Revealed, You May Be Glad Also With Exceeding Joy. (Go)
1 Peter 1:13-16 Gird Up the Loins of Your Mind--hope to the End for the Grace--at The Revelation of Jesus Christ--Be Ye Holy; For I Am Holy (Go)
1 Peter 1:5 Who Are Kept By The Power Of God Through Faith Unto Salvation Ready To Be Revealed [Apokalupto: Removal Of A Veil] In The Last Time. (Go)
2 Corinthians 3:18 Transfigured Into the Same Image from Glory to Glory--From One Degree of Radiant Holiness to Another (Go)
2 Thessalonians 1:7 The Lord Jesus Shall Be Revealed [Apokalupsis: Removal Of A Covering Or Veil] From Heaven With His Mighty Angels (Go)
Apokalupsis 602 Apokaluqiv Ap-ok-al’-oop-sis (Go)
Apokalupto 601 Apokalupto Ap-ok-al-oop’-to (Go)
Ephesians 1:17-18 God May Give You The Spirit Of Wisdom And Revelation [Apokalupsis] In The Knowledge Of Him The Eyes Of Your Understanding Be Enlightened (Go)
Ephesians 3:3 How That By Revelation [Apokalupsis: Removal Of A Covering] He Made Known Unto Me The Mystery (Go)
Is the manifestation of the sons of God a progressive experience or a sudden experience? It is progressive to the faithful and sudden to the unfaithful. (Go)
Galatians 1:11-12 The Gospel Not After Man Or Received Of Man, But It Is The Revelation Of Jesus Christ (Go)
Galatians 2:2 Paul Went To The Other Apostles By Revelation To Make Sure He Was Not Off Track. He Was Not Independent. (Go)
God's method by which He intends to bring us all to fullness is through a body ministry operating in the Church He designed. (Go)
Luke 2:29-32 Mine Eyes Have Seen Thy Salvation . . . A Light To Lighten The Gentiles (Go)
Revelations 1:1 The Revelation [Apokalupsis: Removal Of A Covering] Of Jesus Christ (Go)
Romans 6, 7, And 8, God's Plan For Salvation Written To Believers (Go)
Romans 8:18-23, The Full Maturity, Redemption Of Our Bodies, And Deliverance Of Creation From Bondage. (Go)
Romans 16:25 God Has Power To Establish You--According To The Revelation [Apokalupsis: Removal Of A Covering Or Veil] (Go)
Romans 2:5 Against The Day Of Wrath And Removal Of A Covering Or Veil Of The Righteous Judgment Of God; (Go)
What Is the Next Great Event that the Prophets Have Told Us Will Happen? (Go)
Romans 8:19 For The Earnest Expectation Of The Creature Waiteth For The Manifestation Of The Sons Of God. (Go)
The Meaning Of Your Life Is In Being Like Jesus, Which Is Only Available By The Power Of The Holy Spirit (Go)
1 Peter 1:6 (Go)

Babylon: Worldly Systems


What about Christians In democratic government? (Go)
The Threat To A Society Comes From The Ungodly, Not From The Godly (Go)
Are Liberals really Liberated? (Go)

End Times


Matthew 24:4-13 Judgment Is Coming To The Earth With Great Tribulation (Go)
Matthew 24:27 As The Lightning Cometh Out Of The East, And Shineth Even Unto The West; So Shall Also The [Abiding Presence] Of The Son Of Man Be. (Go)
Mt 24:37 But As The Days Of Noe Were, So Shall Also The [ Abiding Presence] Of The Son Of Man Be. (Go)
Mark 9:1-7 Jesus Was Transfigured Before Them (Go)
Matthew 17:1-5 Some Will Not Taste Death Till They See The Kingdom--Jesus Was Transfigured Before Them. (Go)
Matthew 24:3 What Shall Be The Sign Of Thy Abiding Presence [Parousia], And Of The End Of The World? (Go)
Matthew 24:37-41 God's Call Has Gone Out. Whoever Will May Come. (Go)
Matthew 24:39 And Knew Not Until The Flood Came, And Took Them All Away; So Shall Also The [Abiding Presence] Of The Son Of Man Be. (Go)
Luke 2:35 (Yea, A Sword Shall Pierce Through Thy Own Soul Also,) That The Thoughts Of Many Hearts May Be Revealed [Apokalupto: Removal Of A Veil] (Go)
1 Peter 4:13 Rejoice In Partaking of Christ's Sufferings; That, When His Glory Shall Be Revealed, You May Be Glad Also With Exceeding Joy. (Go)
Is the manifestation of the sons of God a progressive experience or a sudden experience? It is progressive to the faithful and sudden to the unfaithful. (Go)
God's method by which He intends to bring us all to fullness is through a body ministry operating in the Church He designed. (Go)
Romans 2:5 Against The Day Of Wrath And Removal Of A Covering Or Veil Of The Righteous Judgment Of God; (Go)
What Is the Next Great Event that the Prophets Have Told Us Will Happen? (Go)
Romans 8:19 For The Earnest Expectation Of The Creature Waiteth For The Manifestation Of The Sons Of God. (Go)
Haggai 2:7-9 The Coming Glory Of The Church (Go)

The Church, What Is It and What Is Its Purpose


God's method by which He intends to bring us all to fullness is through a body ministry operating in the Church He designed. (Go)
Haggai 2:7-9 The Coming Glory Of The Church (Go)
God Has Restored Much That Is Necessary So That The Church Can Come Into The Fullness. (Go)
What is the 5-fold ministry and why is it important? (Go)
The Reality of the Body of Christ (Go)
Discerning Christ In Your Brother or Sister, the Gifts, Ministries, Offices, and Ordinances of the Body of Christ (Go)
Are All Who Call Themselves Christians Free from Religious Systems of this Age? (Go)
What are the Scriptural Christianity Teachings? (Go)
What are the gifts of the Spirit and how are they received? (Go)
Misconceptions About the Church (Go)
Fulfillment: Understanding What It Is To Be a Christian and Understanding Christianity (Go)
What is God's way to come to full maturity in Christ, and how can I know it is the right way? By the Church. By that which every joint supplies. (Go)
Are the local churches to teach no other doctrine than the Apostle's Doctrine? (Go)
Aren’t there false apostles and false prophets? (Go)
Why is the 5-fold ministry of the Scripture so unpopular? (Go)
Ephesians 4:15-16, Body Ministry By That Which Every Joint Supplies (Go)
Aren't apostles something from the past? (Go)
Is there really any pattern in Scripture for the Church? Yes. Most people don't like it. (Go)
What does the Bible say about the government of the church? (Go)
What About Pastors, Elders and Deacons? (Go)
Isn't God's way like a smorgasbord where you can pick and choose what you want or don't want? No. (Go)
Was There Such a Thing as The Apostolic Age? (Go)
What Are the Two Main Purposes of the Church? (Go)
What are the strengths and weaknesses that can be seen in the Church? (Go)
If the Bible's so great, why don't the churches of today look like the church of the New Testament? (Go)
What is the Real Church, and what is its purpose? (Go)
Can human effort help the church to fulfil its mission in the earth? (Go)
Is God's Way something where I can design it myself? (Go)
There will be a coming together of the Body of Christ in unity? (Go)
What is God's plan for building the church? (Go)
How can the church come to the full glory God has planned for her? (Go)
Define Church: The Greek Word For Church, Ekklesia, Literally Means Called Out of Summoned (Go)
What do the Scriptures teach how God designed the Church? (Go)
What is the foundation of the church? (Go)
What is God's way of bringing the Church to unity and to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ? (Go)
Can Spiritual Gifts, Offices, And Ministries Be Counterfeited? (Go)
What Happened To the Church that It No Longer Follows the Biblical Pattern? (Go)
What Is the Problem with Forbidding the People of God to Partake of the Power of the Spirit of God? (Go)
Why have so many Christians rejected the traditional church organizations? (Go)
Humanistic Speculations Have A Way Of Creeping Into The Church. They Are Poison From The Evil One. (Go)
Meaning of Life (Go)
We Need The Church (Go)
Who sets ministries in the Church and how does God say that is to be decided? (Go)
Questions and Answers: What is the role of the deacons in this situation? (Go)
Questions and Answers: What is the Church; How should it be governed? (Go)
2 Corinthians 11:13-14, False Apostles (Go)
Don't Be Fooled By The Many False Promises Of The Worldly Systems And All Their Empty Promises (Go)
Following Hireling Preachers: The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. (Go)
Following people who were not sent by God (Go)
Galatians 2:2 Paul Went To The Other Apostles By Revelation To Make Sure He Was Not Off Track. He Was Not Independent. (Go)
Was Peter the foundation of the church and the first pope? (Go)
Seek to Know God. (Go)
God's Order Works. (Go)
James 5:14-15, The Elders Anoint With Oil For Healing (Go)
Feedback Question: James 5:13 (Go)
Scriptures that use the Word, Church (Go)
Taking Ground, Holding Ground, Total Victory (Go)
The Problem Of Churches That Are Not Fulfilling Their Purpose. (Go)
Your Purpose in Life (Go)
John 3:16 What does it really mean? (Go)
Why must I believe in Jesus to be saved? (Go)
To Successfully Fulfill Your Purpose in Life, You Must be Born Again (Go)
How Can I Introduce Foundational Truth About the Five Fold Gifting to My Church? (Go)
Why is the pattern of Scripture so important? (Go)
Apostles and the 5-fold Ministries In the Bible (Go)


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  • Every member having and being a ministry in the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:11)
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Human theology and reasoning is not necessarily correct, but the Bible is without error. The Bible can only be understood by revelation, and revelation is given by the Spirit of God. God does reveal in His own way. But we only know in part. If we think we know any thing, we do not know it as we ought. We are instructed, by God, to keep seeking Him. The Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. The truth sets us free. Lies bind us. Whoever seeks Jesus does find Him. Jesus is the truth.
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