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Humanistic Speculations Have A Way Of Creeping Into The Church. They Are Poison From The Evil One.



Obey your flesh and descend into darkness

How can we know anything about anything


To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do you believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

  1. things that we make up, pulled from the air
  2. demonic lies
  3. divine revelation

Question: Why do you believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened." *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

"[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In another case of just listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, "I guess I'm making the whole thing up." It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn't want God to rule over him.

Humanistic Speculations  


Whether a member of the New Age, the Humanist movement, the Intellectualism movement, the Agnostic movement, the Atheist movement, or whatever the movement (we're referring to ungodly anti-Christ movements), an incredible thing seems to happen almost every time the ungodly express themselves. They first assert that they stick to facts, then they smoothly transition to a fictional story, and then they insist that the story is a fact.  Even when caught in the act, they stick to their story.  From an ungodly news caster who produces phony documents to the evolutionist's wild stories about transitional forms to ecologist's amazing tales about global warming, the pattern seems to hold.  Part of this is due to the Law of Logical Argument: "Anything is possible if you don't know what you  are talking about."  However, many of these people are neither ignorant nor stupid.  They just have a need to perpetrate a lie.

An evolutionist will start by giving a lecture about the importance of science and only accepting observation and mathematical logic. That evolutionist will then state that he or she is THE EXAMPLE to be followed. They may take a few swings at anyone who doesn't buy into evolutionism as being unscientific.

Well, all of that is fine, but then they very smoothly begin to tell a story. That story will always contain some facts, just as all good fiction has enough real-world truth to carry the story line. The problem is that the story would not have an evolutionary point to it if the author of the story were to leave out the fiction. And they present the story as if it were science. Yet the story is pure nonsense.

The shear volume of these stories is amazing. Rather than having us follow the rule, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me," they want us to believe that, because of the quantity of stories, there must be something out there with some truth in it. Each story must be dealt with as a separate point, but, when caught in the lie, the ungodly will insist: "everybody makes a little bitty mistake sometimes, but there are other stories that are no doubt true." And tomorrow they will come out with a new story. While you are researching that new story and finding out that it was another lie, they will be developing fourteen more stories.  When a group of people have shown themselves to be that unreliable, we must step back from them and stop listening to them.

You can hardly believe it when the ungodly news caster finally admits that those documents were counterfeit, but he still insists that the story (that was based on the counterfeit documents) was true anyway.  This is the pattern of the ungodly. And the news caster never admitted that several experts had told him that the documents were fakes, though everyone found out about that fact anyway.  This is exactly what the evolution, socialism, and global warming people do.  It is not isolated.  It's wide-spread.  It happens over and over again.

The Bible has no doctrine on global warming, but we can certainly see the tendency of the world to try to dream up one doomsday idea after another to gain power and money.  We know that the earth is the Lord's and the fulness there of.  We know for sure that we should not be sitting in the counsel of the ungodly--and the people pushing these various theories are ungodly.  

When you see a professor, with a straight face, line up several fossils in order of similarity and declare that they prove evolution, it is just as amazing. Of course, any group of objects can be lined up in order of similarity, but we know that that does not show that anything has evolved into anything else.  It is a goofy magic trick to fool the gullible.  Evolutionists know that this is false logic, yet they keep fooling students with it.  Evolutionists know that the fossil record story is bogus, yet they deceptively teach that the fossil record proves evolution.  They know that the geologic column (the fake one in the text books) exists nowhere in the real world, that it only exists in text books, yet they tell the story over and over about this fictitious column. They tell the story of the big bang as if it were something that might be possible.  Not only that, they tell it as if it actually happened. And it's just a creative story, and a really silly one.  And they have many other such stories.

These ungodly, anti-Christ people are the same people who scoff at God and the idea that God could reveal His will to humans. They reject the love of God.  The ungodly have shown themselves to be unreliable. No one has ever found an error in the Bible, yet these are the people who reject the Bible, or want to add their creative stories to the Bible.  Good advice is to take anything that the ungodly say with a grain of salt.  You may have to learn to parrot back some nonsense to get a passing grade, but remember that they are making you drink sewer water.

These ungodly, who have totally given up their right to be trusted, are still very bold to ridicule the faith of Jesus Christ. They make fun of ideas like angels, heaven, hell, and prayer.  Yet their whole foundation is a series of made up stories.  You will do well reject the advice of the ungodly. Sometimes you may be forced into a situation where you have to listen to their stories, but other than that, avoid them.




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Human theology and reasoning is not necessarily correct, but the Bible is without error. The Bible can only be understood by revelation, and revelation is given by the Spirit of God. God does reveal in His own way. But we only know in part. If we think we know any thing, we do not know it as we ought. We are instructed, by God, to keep seeking Him. The Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. The truth sets us free. Lies bind us. Whoever seeks Jesus does find Him. Jesus is the truth.
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