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Feedback Question: James 5:13 & 14 Why does it change gears? Why not tell us to pray for ourselves when we are sick? What is God trying to tell us?



Obey your flesh and descend into darkness

How can we know anything about anything


To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do you believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

  1. things that we make up, pulled from the air
  2. demonic lies
  3. divine revelation

Question: Why do you believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened." *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

"[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In another case of just listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, "I guess I'm making the whole thing up." It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn't want God to rule over him.

I have a question about James chapter 5 verses 13 and 14. In verse 13 we are told that if we are afflicted to pray and if we are merry to sing psalms. However, in verse 14, instead of praying for ourselves when we are sick, we are told to call on the elders.  
In 13 we do the praying and rejoicing ourselves, but not in 14.  
Why does it change gears? Why not tell us to pray for ourselves when we are sick?  
Anytime I see an obvious change like this it makes me wonder what God is trying to tell us without actually telling us.  
Thanks.  
It's All About Jesus  
Gary

James 5:13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.  
 
James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
 
 
Hello Brother Gary,  
 
You are right that God is telling us something. God is telling us that we each have a ministry and an individual responsibility, yet there is no room in the Kingdom of the Heavens for mavericks, the rebellious, or those who will not submit to God's authority that He has invested in lowly men in the Church.

One might say, "Well, which group of people claiming to have authority must I follow?"  That is a good question, and the answer is plain.  God expects you to be close enough to Him and submissive enough to Him that He can reveal the genuine to you and open your eyes to see the counterfeits as counterfeits.  Lies set us free from God and free to commit every sin and disorder.  The truth sets us free from sin and free to righteousness, which includes every order of God.  God has an order for everything: Worship is in 1 Corinthians 14.  The gifts of the Spirit is in 1 and 2 Timothy and 1 Corinthians 12. God has an order for the family.  There is no part of life that God has not shown an order. In James 5:13, we see the order of individual responsibility to pray and to rejoice.  In James 5:14 we see the individual responsibility to fit into the Body of Christ and the order of healing for elders anointing with oil and the elders responsibility to pray the prayer of faith.  If they are humble, in unity, and in submission to the apostles, the elders will be able to pray the prayer of faith and see the healing hand of God.  

Christians want to pick and choose what they will follow as if it were a smorgasbord.  That is rebellion.  

Specifically, this passage has to do with the order of elders, which was restored to the Church in the mid 20th Century.  Oh, there were elders all along, but they were not functioning as the Bible describes Elders.  But it's deeper than even that.  This is really important.  It's about what the Church is and what the purpose of the Church is.  That's a pretty hard thing to hear about since the Church has gone so far from the pattern God gave us in the Scripture that most people have never seen anything that looks similar to the Church in Scripture.  
 
These are orders of the Church.  They show how the ministries and the gifts work together.  The gifts often overlap, but they are never in conflict.  In 1 Corinthians 12:9 we read about the gift of faith, the gifts of healing, and the gift of the working of miracles.  These all work healing.  And then every member has faith.  Every member can pray for healing.  Every member can pray for a miracle.  You see the wonder of the overlapping workings of the Holy Spirit in every member.  In the same way that the human body, when walking, does not rely on just the feet or just the legs but rather the whole body is involved, that is how it is with the Body of Christ.  And that's just healing.  What about the spirit of prophecy, which is the testimony of Jesus Christ, and 2 Corinthians 14 says we all may prophesy one by one, yet only some have the gift of prophecy, and there are some who are prophets.  With all of this, there is overlap but no conflict.  
 
Some Christians have thought that somehow they could be independent of the Church and come into the fullness.  That could never happen.  God made us interdependent.  You might just say that we are stuck with each other.  The reality is that the Christ in me needs the Christ in you because I only have that small part that God has given to me.  He was broken for our iniquities, but not a bone of Him was broken.  He was broken among us so that we could assemble ourselves together into a glorious Church without spot or wrinkle.  And we need to make sure that we assemble ourselves according to the Pattern (Scripture) and don't neglect doing so--as the manner of some is.  
 
It has a lot to do with 1 Corinthians 1.  The folks in Corinth had a problem with divisions and a failure to discern the Body of Christ.  They didn't fully realize that the Body of Christ is a specific thing with a specific order and a supernatural kind of unity.  They didn't really understand that the Church, the Body of Christ, is not only the method by which God is bringing about God's good purpose, but the Church is also the fulfillment of God's purpose when it is fully completed.  
 
The Corinthians were arguing about which one of the apostles was the best.  "1 Corinthians 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.  It's easy to see that we should not say that I am of Paul, Apollos, or Cephas, but what is so bad about saying that I am of Christ?  Shouldn't we be of Christ?  We should be of Christ, of course, but we cannot be of Christ unless we unless we are of His Body.  That is what Paul is telling us.

John gave a similar message in John 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

God is telling us that we need to abide in Him.  We know what it is to have Christ abiding in us, but what about us abiding in Christ.  Whatever else abiding in Him may mean, it does mean to abide in His Body.  There is a body of Christ and we are to abide in it.  None of us is to think of himself or herself more highly than we ought, but according to the free gift, that ministry that God has put within each of us, Christ in us the hope of glory.

John 2:18&19 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.  They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Note how serious God is about this.  Division is anti-Christ.  

John 2:29If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. 

This is, of course, that righteousness that is by faith--faith has works that God does through us when we walk by faith  

John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?  John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

 
1 Corinthians chapter 12 tells us that God divided Christ among us, but there is no division.  There are very specific gifts and very specific ministries or administrations that come out of those gifts.  Very specific offices are mentioned as well.  These are the structures of the Church, and all of them are necessary.  If you remove your eye, you have lost something valuable.  If you lose a part of the Body of Christ, it affects every other part.  If part of the Body of Christ is out of order, that makes every other part suffer in some sense.  Not only are there gifts, ministries and offices, but there are also orders, and every order is important just as the parts of the physical body need to be in order.  
 
These orders are not like the precepts of men, which are just empty forms and rituals.  These orders are the very way that the Holy Spirit does His work through the Church.  There is the order of being born again, for instance.  No one can be born again in his or her own way.  Some people would read a verse of Scripture about works and then try to be born again by human-generated works rather than by believing in Jesus.  
 
The order that is mentioned in James 5:13 & 14 is another part of the whole counsel of God.  The office of elders of the Church are important part of the Body of Christ.  They have a specific role.  In most church organizations, the elders are not overseers leading the flock of God as Jesus originally designed the Church.  If fact, most local assemblies have a totally different government from the government of elders and deacons.  Of course, the order of local elders and deacons can only function under the order of traveling elders and deacons to the universal church, that is apostles.  Note that they are plural and that there is no chief elder except for Christ.  This is how God designed the Church, the Body of Christ, to function.  
 
It's a wonderful salvation.  It's a wonderful way.  And God has shed His light upon our pathway.  And our way is growing brighter and I want to shout and sing, a creature of eternity, a child of the King.




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We Need The Church (Go)
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Seek to Know God. (Go)
God's Order Works. (Go)
James 5:14-15, The Elders Anoint With Oil For Healing (Go)
Scriptures that use the Word, Church (Go)
Taking Ground, Holding Ground, Total Victory (Go)
The Problem Of Churches That Are Not Fulfilling Their Purpose. (Go)
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God's Way


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The Calling Of God (Go)
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No Response: The Seed that Falls by the Way Side, the Trampled Path (Go)
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Wisdom: Holiness (Go)
The Reality of Christ, the Head of the Body (Go)
To Successfully Fulfill Your Purpose in Life, You Must be Born Again (Go)
Gal 5:23 Questions and Answers: What do you mean by against such there is no law? (Go)
Questions and Answers: What is the Church; How should it be governed? (Go)
1Timothy 5:17-19, The Order Of Local Elders (Go)
1 Corinthians 1:1-4:2 The Pattern Of Apostles (Go)
1 Corinthians 12:28-30, God Hath Set Some In The Church, First Apostles, Secondarily Prophets, (Go)
2 Corinthians 11:13-14, False Apostles (Go)
Acts 15:2-16:4, God's Order For Establishing Doctrine In The Universal Church (Go)
Acts 8:14-20, Apostles Being Led By The Holy Spirit (Go)
Aren't There False Apostles Out There? (Go)
Is Being Filled With The Spirit And Speaking In Tongues Biblical? (Go)
Being Set Into Your Ministry By The Laying On Of Hands And Prophecy Of The Presbytery Will Build You Up (Go)
Discerning Christ In Your Brother or Sister, the Gifts, Ministries, Offices, and Ordinances of the Body of Christ (Go)
Don't Be Fooled By The Many False Promises Of The Worldly Systems And All Their Empty Promises (Go)
Don't Some Theologians And Scholars Say That There Were Only 12 Apostles And That Is All There Will Ever Be? (Go)
False Kingdoms (Go)
Following Hireling Preachers: The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. (Go)
Following people who were not sent by God (Go)
Galatians 2:2 Paul Went To The Other Apostles By Revelation To Make Sure He Was Not Off Track. He Was Not Independent. (Go)
God's method by which He intends to bring us all to fullness is through a body ministry operating in the Church He designed. (Go)
Was Peter the foundation of the church and the first pope? (Go)
Seek to Know God. (Go)
God's Order Works. (Go)
Is there really any pattern in Scripture for the Church? Yes. Most people don't like it. (Go)
Holiness Brings Clearer Vision and Hearing (Go)
How Can I Know God's Will And Be Led By The Spirit Of God? (Go)
Was There Such a Thing as The Apostolic Age? (Go)
James 5:14-15, The Elders Anoint With Oil For Healing (Go)
Jeremiah 23:16-22 False Prophets (Go)
Are the local churches to teach no other doctrine than the Apostle's Doctrine? (Go)
Misconceptions About the Church (Go)
Questions and Answers: What is the role of the deacons in this situation? (Go)
Aren't apostles something from the past? (Go)
Taking Ground, Holding Ground, Total Victory (Go)
The Problem Of Churches That Are Not Fulfilling Their Purpose. (Go)
Why is the 5-fold ministry of the Scripture so unpopular? (Go)
The Move of the Spirit of 1948 From the Papers and Memories of Milford E. Kirkpatrick (Go)
If the Bible's so great, why don't the churches of today look like the church of the New Testament? (Go)
What About Pastors, Elders and Deacons? (Go)
Can The Ministries And Offices Of The Church Be Counterfeited? (Go)
Your Purpose in Life (Go)
Why is the pattern of Scripture so important? (Go)
Is God's Way something where I can design it myself? (Go)
Isn't it just being picky to want to do things the Scriptural way? (Go)


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We believe the Holy Scriptures teach:
  • The 5 apostolic ministries (Ephesians 4:11)
  • The nine gifts of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:8-10)
  • Local congregations overseen by elders and deacons (Titus 1:5)
  • Every member having and being a ministry in the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:11)
  • Being led by the Spirit of God (Romans 8:14)
  • The gathering together of the Body of Christ (Genesis 49:10, John 17:21)
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Human theology and reasoning is not necessarily correct, but the Bible is without error. The Bible can only be understood by revelation, and revelation is given by the Spirit of God. God does reveal in His own way. But we only know in part. If we think we know any thing, we do not know it as we ought. We are instructed, by God, to keep seeking Him. The Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. The truth sets us free. Lies bind us. Whoever seeks Jesus does find Him. Jesus is the truth.
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