Question & Answer: Butterfly Evolves Mouth for Bananas?

How can we know anything about anything

To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do you believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

things that we make up, pulled from the air
demonic lies
divine revelation

Question: Why do you believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened." *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

"[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In another case of just listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, "I guess I'm making the whole thing up." It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn't want God to rule over him.

Question:

I heard a debate-Ken Miller said that a Hawaiian butterfly evolved a mouth for a banana plant that wasn't in Hawaii until recently. Do you have a rebuttal for that? Could that just be micro-evolution, not macro-evolution, since species don't change to a new species?

Answer:

To start with, according to the Evolutionistic dogma, evolution, if there were such a thing, would be a random process that leads to increasing information, order, and complexity. According to Evolutionists, it is a random process. Random processes do not think and act. Old-Earth Naturalists will tell us that it is not just random processes, but also the magic of Natural Selection that evolves things into what they need to be. That boat does not float. Natural Selection is not nature's intelligence. According to their theory, butterflies can evolve anything. The cannot evolve something in response to something else. That would imply a mind. This is one of the flimflam methods of Evolutionists. They turn evolution into a magic wand that is able to do impossible things. That is not science. It is bold-faced lying.

The use of the term, micro-evolution also deceptively implies that small variations add up to large variations, which is a diversion from the point. The point is not the number of variations or the size of the variations. The point is that mutations do not add information. They remove information. Evolution would require that they add the right information so that the resulting changes to the creature can be "selected" for by nature.

In addition, there is a problem with the word, "species." It refers to rather random divisions between different animals. These divisions are created by humans who are known to make many mistakes. No one doubts that adaptation happens. No one doubts that when adaptation happens a human has the ability to classify that change as a new species. But what does it prove when a human calls something by a different name? It certainly doesn't change what that something is. This species-naming ability of human beings is part of the magicians patter that endlessly comes out of the ungodly. Species are not like the "kinds" that the Bible talks about. The Bible does not specifically define the kinds of animals, but it says that each kind produced after its kind. Using science, it appears that there were many trees of animals, each one representing a kind, and each kind allowing a great deal of variation within the kind. But the butterfly did not turn into another kind of animal. That would be macro-evolution rather than variation. Macro-evolution has never happened. There are no examples in the fossil record. What is a species? The surprising answer.

The Atheists will not turn from their dreams because they hate God. Arguments don't work. Once in a while, the Spirit of God may go out from you to them, either by words that you say, by actions that you do, or by the prayers that you pray. And the Spirit of God may turn the hard heart of someone whom God decides to call to Himself. You probably will never see it, so never be discouraged. You never know how much God is doing through you.

It appears that there are abilities built into the DNA for adaptation. Real science does not know all about this capability yet. What real science does show is the second law of thermodynamics. We never observe random chance adding information to anything, but when the information is already designed in, we can observe adaptation. We never observe random chance bringing anything to a higher level of energy. Clocks wind down. Fences break down. Cars rust out. DNA gets damaged and loses information. In rare instances, the loss of information can help an organism. That is what happens when bacteria become resistant to antibiotics. Some of the bacteria are missing something that the antibiotic attacks. Since these bacteria don't are missing that something, the antibiotics don't affect them and they keep living while the others die off. But those so-called super bacteria cannot survive among normal healthy bacteria when the antibiotics are not present. They have lost information--de-volved--because of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. (read more about the Second Law of Thermodynamics) (and even more

The Evolutionists will tell you a half truth about the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The Evolutionists will tell the half truth: "The Second Law of Thermodynamics only applies to isolated systems, so it's not relevant to evolution, because the Earth is an open system." This is a clever lie. Here is the part of the truth that they are withholding: the Second Law of Thermodynamics was derived using theoretical isolated systems, but it applies to all systems, and can only be overcome locally and temporarily in open systems when stringent conditions are met. Not only that, but we are not talking about the Earth. The Earth is just a subsystem of a much larger system called the Universe. The Universe is an isolated system. Evolutionists claim that Evolution took place in this isolated system, but the Second Law of Thermodynamics tells us that their story is a myth.

More information on the Second Law of Thermodynamics can be found here & here & here & here & here

One Evolutionism website says this: "There are two species of butterflies on Hawaii, indigenous to the islands, that have mouth parts meant specifically for eating bananas. What's so special? Bananas were not introduced to Hawaii until a couple hundred years ago. So if those butterflies were there before, then they would have had no food source. They had to have evolved to eat the bananas."

This is typical babbling of the carnal mind of mankind--deceitful and desperately wicked. The logical error is easy for a child to spot. "They had to have" Really? So there is only one possibility here? That is faulty logic, and probably reflects the blindness that blind faith in unsupported assumptions will bring. And the unsupported assumptions are those of scientism, a cult that redefines science then worships science. The most obvious possibility is that the Creator knew what these butterflies would need and so He built that into them so that their mouths could adapt to eating bananas. There are many such claims among the Evolutionism religion. They use this same faulty logic repeatedly.

By the way, every age of the earth theory uses circular reasoning. Since the "science" of estimating the age of the earth is forensic science, it always involves circular reasoning. Old earth theories require old earth assumptions. There are many indicators of the age of the earth. When old earth assumptions are made for the popular age of the earth indicators, those indicators show a very old earth. However, the other indicators, the vast majority of indicators, show a very young earth when using the same old earth assumptions. In addition, if you change the assumptions, you get a very young earth. Bottom line is that old earth ideas are for the purpose of eliminating creation and the flood and the God who did these things.

SeekFind.net is not really about Creation and Evolution. Any information that we have is owed to other sites. We have tried to simplify the concepts. Seekfind is really about the meaning of life: (Article)

If you ever want to frustrate an Evolutionist, ask him or her to explain why they believe in Evolution. Make them explain everything that you don't understand about what they are telling you. If they say that the mouths evolved, ask, what is the mechanism for the mouths evolving? If they say that it is random chance, ask how that works since the Second Law of Thermodynamics predicts that just the opposite will happen, that information will not be added. If they say that every once in a while, information is added by accident, then ask how they know. Have they observed it? If they say that they know it because they read it somewhere or it was published in a scientific article, ask if they actually read the detail of the research behind the scientific article. The likelihood is that they have not even read the article. Ask them if there have any other reason for believing the scientific article other than blind faith in the article. In fact, you will find that you never have anything to fear in asking Evolutionists these things. Behind their bold words there are just puffs of smoke. It takes real patience to talk to them, but if you keep your cool and really listen and question everything they say, they will lose their cool or run out of steam when they realize that they have spent their life following a mirage. They have been fooled and have probably fooled others as a result.

By the way, there is plenty of evidence for a young Earth and a recent creation: