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Which Is More Valid, Intellectual Revelation or Divine Revelation?



Obey your flesh and descend into darkness

How can we know anything about anything


To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do you believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

  1. things that we make up, pulled from the air
  2. demonic lies
  3. divine revelation

Question: Why do you believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened." *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

"[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In another case of just listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, "I guess I'm making the whole thing up." It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn't want God to rule over him.

You can serve the intellect or you can serve God. You can tap into the made-up stories of your own fabrication (or the fabrications of others) or you can tap into the mind of God.   Albert Einstein wanted to think God's thoughts.   Many great scientists wanted to do the same.   They were successful because God revealed the hidden wisdom and knowledge to them.  
 
There is a human faith, a make believe pseudo-faith, but there is also a true faith that comes from God.  
 
Spiritual Or Natural  
 
The human faith is blind.  
It leaps into dark,  
And hopes to land in light.  
It will not trust in God.  
It starts with the human,  
And that is where it ends.  
It does not depend on the person of Jesus.  
It can't receive the things of God.  
It is a reasoned faith.  
 
The faith that is of God,  
Has eyes to see His will.  
It moves the Hand of God,  
For it has come from Him  
It starts with God,  
And God will complete it.  
It can't be found outside of Christ Jesus.  
It is not bound by things of earth.  
It is the faith of God.  
 
The human hope is weak.  
It is a "hope so" hope.  
It cannot light the way  
It comes from human hearts.  
It starts with the human,  
And that is where it ends.  
It does not depend on the person of Jesus.  
Nor can it see the things of God.  
It's merely mortal hope.  
 
The hope that is of God,  
Can see what God will do.  
It knows His promises,  
For it has come from Him.  
It starts with God,  
And God will fulfill it.  
It can't be found outside of Christ Jesus.  
It is not bound by things of earth.  
It is the hope of God.  
 
The human love receives.  
It does not give away.  
It never can be pure.  
It comes from human hearts.  
It starts with the human,  
And that is where it ends.  
It does not depend on the person of Jesus.  
Nor can it love as Jesus loves.  
It's selfish, fleshly love.  
 
The love that is of God,  
Can do what God will do.  
It has the pow'r of God,  
For it has come from Him.  
It starts with God,  
And God will complete it.  
It can't be found outside of Christ Jesus.  
It is not bound by things of earth.  
It is the love of God.  
 
For wisdom, joy, and peace,  
And all that's good and right,  
There is a counterfeit,  
Or else the genuine  
That starts with God, and God is the essence.  
That can't be found outside of Christ Jesus,  
That flows from God and can't be mixed,  
With any natural.  
 
Copyright Bob and Kathy Stenson, Freeware. Use it freely.  
 
What is it when we seek after our own heart (deep inner thoughts, the intellect) and our own eyes (our own limited ability to observe). It is idolatry, which is spiritual prostitution.  
 
Numbers 15:39 b  
and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:  
 
Proverbs 28:26  
He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walks wisely, he shall be delivered.  
 
Jeremiah 23:16  
Thus says the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.  
They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walks after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.  
 
James 1:17  
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.  




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Revelation


Numbers 12:6-8 God Speaks: Visions, Dreams, and More Directly (Go)
Psalms 19:2 God Speaks Through Creation: Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. (Go)
Matthew 11:25 God Has Hid These Things From The Wise And Prudent, And Hast Revealed Them Unto Babes. (Go)
Matthew 11:27 No Man Knows the Son, but the Father; Neither Knows any Man the Father, Save the Son, and He to whom the Son Will [Unveil] Him. (Go)
Matthew 16:17 Flesh And Blood Hath Not Revealed It Unto Thee, But My Father Which Is In Heaven (Go)
Matthew 16:21-23 Get Thee Behind Me, Satan (Go)
Luke 2:29-32 Mine Eyes Have Seen Thy Salvation . . . A Light To Lighten The Gentiles (Go)
1 Corinthians 14:6 . . . Speak To You Either By Revelation [Apokalupsis: Removal Of A Covering Or Veil], Or By Knowledge, Or By Prophesying, Or By Doctrine? (Go)
1 Corinthians 14:29-33 You May All Prophesy One By One (Go)
1 Corinthians 14:30 If Any Thing Be Revealed [Apokalupto: Removal Of A Veil] To Another That Sitteth By, Let The First Hold His Peace. (Go)
1 Peter 4:13 Rejoice In Partaking of Christ's Sufferings; That, When His Glory Shall Be Revealed, You May Be Glad Also With Exceeding Joy. (Go)
Galatians 1:11-12 The Gospel Not After Man Or Received Of Man, But It Is The Revelation Of Jesus Christ (Go)
Galatians 2:2 Paul Went To The Other Apostles By Revelation To Make Sure He Was Not Off Track. He Was Not Independent. (Go)
We believe that the Holy Scriptures teach the following: (Go)
The world is concerned with philosophy (Go)
World Views Versus The Heavenly Vision (Go)
Competing Visions and Opinions About Reality as Opposed to Reality (Go)
Is there a way that I can become more sensitive to the Spirit and the will of God? (Go)
Ezekiel 2:2 (Go)
How does human weakness keep scientists from understanding? (Go)
Aren’t there false apostles and false prophets? (Go)
Building on Rock or Building on Sand (Go)
Apostles Equip with Doctrine and Revelation: (Go)
Questions and Answers: Atheist Asserts that Revelation Is Unreliable (Go)


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Human theology and reasoning is not necessarily correct, but the Bible is without error. The Bible can only be understood by revelation, and revelation is given by the Spirit of God. God does reveal in His own way. But we only know in part. If we think we know any thing, we do not know it as we ought. We are instructed, by God, to keep seeking Him. The Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. The truth sets us free. Lies bind us. Whoever seeks Jesus does find Him. Jesus is the truth.
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