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How can we know anything about anything


To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

  1. things that we make up, pulled from the air
  2. demonic lies
  3. divine revelation

Question: Why do believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened. *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, “I guess I’m making the whole thing up.” It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn’t want God to rule over him.

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Actually, it's hard to take a position on the rapture. There are so many different competing theories out there that it's a little bit difficult to say exactly what the rapture is.  We would have to start by asking, "What do you mean when you say, "rapture?"  We take a position against speculation, and there is certainly a lot of end-times speculation. There's big money in predicting the end of the age.

One thing is certain: salvation is not based on belief in a rapture.

The problem is not with the rapture but with the speculation on the rapture. Speculation always diverts the Saints from what God has for them. It seems that all religious speculation uses the Bible to back it up. Think about how people argue about baptism, rapture, communion, sanctification, heaven, hell, creation, morality, and almost any other area of theology. They all use Scripture, but somebody is adding to or taking from Scripture.    

The reality is that there are many rapture theories. The problem with the shortcut terms, such as "rapture," is that no one seems to mean the same thing when using the term. This is certainly true of the rapture theories. And every theologian is completely sure that his or her own particular twist on their rapture theory is correct. Sometimes, this argumentation seems to be fueled by pure ego.    

The word, rapture is taken from a Latin word, raptus/raptio. This would roughly translate to a Greek word, HARPADZO, which is translated as "caught up" in I Thessalonians 4:16-18. It would seem that it would be better to use a word from Scripture: "manifestation of the sons of God," "redemption of the body," or "we shall be like Him."    

It might help to look at the various parts of some of the theories that are out there.    

       
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    We are going to be like Jesus. Many Scriptures support this. This is not a theory. It is a theme in Scripture. Although, there are some who speculate beyond what has been revealed regarding what this likeness is all about. Speculation isn't wise in these areas.    

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    When we see Him face to face, we will be like Him.  This is a fact of Scripture.  When do we see Him face to face and see Him as He really is?  He is a really Christ the Body joined to Christ the Head.  If we fail to discern Christ the Body, we have no reason to be excited about Christ's return to the earth or any rapture.  In fact, the rapture is taking place from glory to glory right now in a hidden parousia (abiding presence) of the Lord within every Christian who will receive it.      
       

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    Jesus will return. Many Scriptures support this. This is not a theory. It is a theme in Scripture.    

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    God will have a shelter for His people. Psalm 91, Revelation 12.    

There are some theoretical ideas that are put forward that actually are in conflict with Scripture. When our theories cause the Scripture to appear to be in conflict with Itself, we can be sure of one thing: our theories are wrong.    

Here are some examples of things that are speculative:

       
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    Some say that we are just waiting around for the rapture. Don't worry. Live as you would like. We are all going to be raptured out of here anyway.    

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    Some teach an "up in the sky," "high altitude" rapture.  That is either speculation or revelation beyond Scripture as explained below.    

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    Some deny or don't teach the redemption of the body.    

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    Some deny or don't teach the manifestation of the sons of God.    

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    Some deny that the saints are to go from glory to glory. 1 Corinthians 3    

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    Some say that day will come on the saints as a thief, but I Thessalonians 5:4 says it will not come on us as a thief if we are not of the darkness but of the light.    

I Thessalonians  4:16-18 is the one scripture that says that we will meet the Lord in the air. That is taken, by some, to mean up in the sky, and the Scripture is changed in the minds of those Christians. The word, air, is changed to sky.    

The Greek word, AER is translated as "air."  Literally, the Greek refers to the relatively heavy atmosphere near the earth's surface, which doesn't work for most rapture theories.  This word, AER, is used in other New Testament Scriptures, and it usually has a spiritual interpretation.  It means the spiritual realm of the heavenlies.  This is the realm where we are now seated with Christ.  Satan is prince of power of the AER, and the saints are going to put the old dragon out of the heavenlies as Revelation 12 indicates.

Paul says that we are to comfort each other, concerning our dead, so we don’t grieve.  This is a scripture about the return of Christ and the resurrection from the dead.  The idea that was new in 1840 was the notion that we would meet the Lord and the other saints way up in the air.  The Greek word, AER, doesn't help very well with that interpretation.    
   
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"cloud" in Scriptures dealing with Christ's return refer to a large company of either saints or angels.  In fact, throughout the Old and New Testaments this is the case, as in: "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses."  Hebrews 12:1    
   
It would be more consistent with the rest of Scripture to interpret I Thessalonians  4:16-18 in this way: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the
clouds of the saints of God, to meet the Lord in the heavenly spiritual realm: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Perhaps we may be suddenly taken up into the sky. The Scripture doesn't say that we will be, but it may happen. If everyone is going, then I want to go, too. If only those who are found faithful are going, then I want to be in that number. If the manifestation is going to take place physically on terra firma, then I will be happy with that. The point is that the altitude is not plainly taught in Scripture and we should not be speculating about it.    

History:

The rapture theory had no history prior to 1830 when a 15 year old girl named Margaret McDonald had a vision that spoke of the coming of Christ in a hidden way and then again His returning when every eye shall see Him.  Whether her vision was pre- or post-tribulation is not known.  It appears that her vision is not the same as most of the rapture theories that have sprung up.  There has been a lot of creative work on the part of theologians, adding much fabrication to the vision.  The Scriptures that are used to back up many of these theories actually refute them.   In any case, speculation of the meaning of the Bible is forbidden by the Bible.    
   
The Scofield Bible and the Dake’s Bible were the first to carry footnotes about rapture.    
   
In the first century church, there is no writing of rapture, but there is one single sermon recorded about 250 years later (Ephraem of Nisibis  who lived from 306 a.d. to 373 a.d.).  No other record of anyone ever coming up with a similar doctrine exists until 1830, and the Scripture doesn't support the theory either as you will see below.    
   
A preacher named Darby picked up on Margaret McDonald's vision and began teaching the rapture in the mid 1800s and also started teaching dispensationalism at that time.  (There may be some truth to the concept of dispensationalism, but it is clear that God moves across the dispensations.  There is a teaching that certain ways of dealing with humanity put severe constraints on God.  Elijah, Enoch and Melchizedek are clear examples that, for those who are willing, God is not bound by timing.)   Since that time, some have even gone so far as to make the rapture one of the fundamentals of faith for their organizations.

Speculation:

Is the high altitude a big deal? The high altitude is not plainly taught in Scripture and we should not be speculating about it. I don't see it anyway. But, I have no problem if God decides to rapture us up into the ionosphere.    

There seems to be a lot of confusion between the abiding presence (parousia) of Christ and the triumphant return of Christ. They mix the two or say that the parousia is the return of Christ. That is speculative, and likely is just plain error. Some rapture theories take great liberties in applying Scriptures to the rapture when it is very questionable that those Scriptures are being rightly applied. Then, there is the problem of the construct of a highly speculative form of dispensationalism.    

Some of the rapture theories reject or deny the plain teaching of Ephesians 4 that says that the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers are given to equip the saints so the saints can minister until we all come into the unity of the faith and knowledge of the Son of God until we become a perfect man (not plural) until we come to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, and this will be by that which every joint supplies. And some also deny 2 Corinthians 3 that tells how we go from glory to glory until we are changed into the same image. The gradual change from glory to glory is seen by some to conflict with their personal theory, so they just throw the Scripture away. When a theory denies Scripture, guess which one should be thrown out.    

Some theologians have begun to use more scriptural terminology, such as, "the manifestation of the sons of God." That makes the subject a little easier to talk about. There is plenty that the Scripture really says without going beyond into speculation.    

I believe in the manifestation of the sons of God, too, if we can use that term. I don't know much about it, but neither does anyone else. We only know what God has revealed.    

End-times theologies tend to go well beyond what Scripture says. It's easy to see how a couple of assumptions and twists of Scripture could result in some of these theories. You can read the rationalization of end time speculation all over the place. Many authors are making a fortune writing about the end times.    

God forbids speculation. There are some things that are very plain in Scripture, like the scriptural pattern for offices, ministries, and gifts of the Spirit. There are plain examples of how revelation is given and to whom it is given, yet the vast majority of Christians sweep these Scriptural patterns under the rug. They replace them with their own traditions and imaginations. If someone wants to advance in knowledge of Scripture, there is plenty that is plainly written. The Holy Ghost must reveal these things and make them real, but there is no place for speculation. There is plenty about the end times, the manifestation of the sons of God and the glory that shall be revealed in us, but we must avoid going beyond what Scripture says.

   




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