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What The Emergents Write About Themselves.



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How can we know anything about anything


To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do you believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

  1. things that we make up, pulled from the air
  2. demonic lies
  3. divine revelation

Question: Why do you believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened." *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

"[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In another case of just listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, "I guess I'm making the whole thing up." It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn't want God to rule over him.

What the Emergent Churches Write About Themselves

 

The Emergent Churches teach that world is radically changing and the church must radically change with it.   Emergents believe postmodernity represents a dramatic break with the past and that only an extreme transformation in the church can keep the church relevant and effective in this environment.   Actually, postmodernity is almost as old as humanity, going right back to the Garden of Eden when Satan said, "Hath God said?"

  

  

Emergents say that since the Church has been culture bound for so long we must reexamine and question every belief and practice in the Church, finding new ways to define and express these

Visiting emergent blogs, one will find that absolutely any doctrine or moral standard can be questioned.

  

Emergents say that we have no foundation for any beliefs, therefore we cannot know absolute truth.

  

Emergents say that since we cannot know absolute truth, we can only experience what is "true" for our communities.   Postmodern philosophers and theologians insist that truth is only known and validated within communities ("There are no Metanarratives only local narratives").

  

Emergents say that since we cannot know absolute truth we cannot be dogmatic about doctrine

Emergents see orthodoxy as "generous," [17] that is, inclusive of many beliefs Christians have historically thought of as aberrant or heretical. Many leading emergents echo McLaren's refusal to assert Christianity's superiority to other world religions.

  

Emergents take the absolute stand that absolute stands on issues such as homosexuality are  obsolete.

  

Activities such as drinking, clubbing, watching sexually explicit movies, and using profanities are seen by some emergents as opportunities to show those who are not part of the Christian community.   The postmodern Christians want to make a statement that they do not think they are better than hypocrites and haters of God through what Emergents see as a false sense of moral superiority on the part of Christians.

  

Emergents say that since we cannot know absolute truth, dogmatic preaching must give way to a dialogue between people of all beliefs.

  

Emerging Christians say that they do not posture themselves before the world as though they were the light and the world were in darkness.   Although, they really are doing so.   It's just that their light is darkness--and how great is that darkness.

  

Instead of "preaching" to the "lost" Emergents say that they join in "conversation," with people of various beliefs. In the judgment of the Emergents, Conservative Evangelicals seem not to be truly welcome to contribute their distinctive content to this conversation since they represent the old, rotting corpse of "modernism."

  

Emergents say that since propositional truth is uncertain, spiritual feeling and social action make up the only reliable substance of Christianity.

  

Emergents consider propositional truth a "modern" (and thus outmoded) fascination.

  

Emergents say that, to capture a sacred feeling we should reconnect with ancient worship forms

  

Many participants in the movement see appreciating art for art's sake as a spiritual experience.

  

Emergents say that the postmodern approach is not to try to persuade people to believe, it is to try to befriend people into joining.   Of course, they are eager to persuade people to believe in Post Modernism.

  

All are welcome to join the "conversation" as long as they behave in a kind and open-minded manner, open-minded meaning minds closed to any opinion other than Post-Modernism.

  

The ultimate goal of the Emergent Church is to make the world a better place by human effort.   That was the goal of Adolf Hitler, by the way.   The Emerging Church movement envisions a utopia in which the oppressed of the world are free, the poor are no longer impoverished and the environment is clean. This paradise is achieved through social activism.   Many emergent leaders think it is selfish folly to live for the return of Christ.

  

  

  




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