Old Earth/Universe or Flood-Denial

Fabricated stories of old-Earthism, old-Universe-ism, big-bangism, relativism, bibilcal-erroism, and flood-denialism are based on arbitrary assumptions (naturalism, materialism, uniformitarianism) and rationalizations. None of these have any basis in science. Atheists, and those who have been deceived by Atheists, keep shouting, "science and reason," but they are irrational and unscientific. They can't even show proof for what they are saying.

The term, "arbitrary assumptions," is actually an over-simplification. These three arbitrary assumptions have morphed into a worldview, or paradigm. A worldview/paradigm is a fake reality that becomes more real than real reality to the person who sees life through the filter of the worldview. Most people are not even aware of the worldview, since it appears, to them, to be reality itself. Worldviews tend to be shared within a community. The current shared worldview in the scientific community is that of naturalism/materialism/uniformitarianism. All data that conflicts with the worldview is disallowed and must be either discarded, discredited, or explained away. This creates something called confirmation bias. So all observations are used to confirm the current worldview--this is true even when the observations absolutely destroy the worldview, which is confirmation bias. Currently, the naturalism/materialism/uniformitarianism worldview struggles against reality, yet it is defended vigorously to the point that people who question it are persecuted, lose jobs, miss promotions or tenure, etc. Unfortunately, this same false worldview has crept into society at large and even into churches. Two of the assumptions include the assumption that God doesn't exist and the other one assumes that the great catastrophic flood of Noah never happened, which is why it is so destructive to the church. Many people have become so hypnotized into this worldview that hearing anything that conflicts with the worldview is jarring to them. They can hardly believe that there are people who are not captivated by the no-God, no-Flood worldview. However, this worldview is a lie. You will even run into Christians who are totally under the direction of this massive lie.

The simple way:

Every evidence that is used against God consists of made-up stories (lies), arbitrary assumptions (lies), or irrational statements (insanity). We have not followed cleverly designed made-up stories, arbitrary assumptions, or irrational statements. Rather, we follow the Living Christ, Who leads us and speaks the Utterances of absolute, genuine fullness of Life to us.

Whatever they come back with will consist of made-up stories (lies), arbitrary assumptions (lies), or irrational statements (insanity). This is true whether they say "Evolution is science," "There is no God," "God doesn't speak to you," "You are stupid," "You don't understand science," "I don't have enough evidence to believe," "There is no evidence for God," "The Bible has errors," or any other thing, so just say some variation of the following:

Thank you for providing an excellent example: Every evidence that is used against God consists of made-up stories (lies), arbitrary assumptions (lies), or irrational statements (insanity). We have not followed cleverly designed made-up stories, arbitrary assumptions, or irrational statements. Rather, we follow the Living Christ, Who leads us and speaks the Utterances of absolute, genuine fullness of Life to us. (example using this on an blog)

The more complex way:

What convinces you of the truth of the fabricated stories, like old-Earthism, big-bang, relativism, flood-denial, biblical-error stories that are made up to explain creation without the Creator and that are based on rationalizations and arbitrary assumptions like naturalism (no God), materialism (no God), uniformitarianism (no Flood) as opposed to real experience of being led by Jesus, the Creator?

What convinces you of the truth of the fabricated stories, like molecules-to-man-evolution, old-Earthism, big-bang, relativism, flood-denial, natural-human-goodness, biblical-error stories that are made up to explain creation without the Creator and that are based on rationalizations and arbitrary assumptions like naturalism (no God), materialism (no God), uniformitarianism (no Flood) as opposed to real experience of being led by Jesus, the Creator?

"When evolution is seen as a storytelling game rather than a serious attempt at scientific explanation, it suddenly makes sense."

They will come up with something, but they will have personally seen no proof that it actually happened. They will not come up with anything that makes sense.

So you have seen no conclusive, absolute proof that the fabricated story of billions of years ever actually happened (or that the flood never happened), but you have blind make-believe-faith in some book or person. You have blind make-believe-faith in fabricated stories that are based on arbitrary assumptions and rationalizations.

They will come up with some answer. It will not be conclusive, absolute proof or even compelling evidence. Keep in mind that every dating method depends on circular reasoning. You will find that their peer group keeps them in the dark. You need to answer these, but be brief. Example: "Every ratiometric dating method is based on arbitrary assumptions and uses circular reasoning. Even then, tests that yield undesired results are discarded and not recorded." and then, go on with the following:

So you haven't even heard or read about any real proof that the fabricated story of billions of years ever actually happened (or of that the flood never happened). This is just something that you prefer to believe by blind make-believe-faith. You have blind make-believe-faith in fabricated stories that are based on arbitrary assumptions and rationalizations.

Turn about is fair play. They may ask you what proof, without assumption, or rationalization, you have seen for 6,000 years (or of that the flood actually happened).

Your sources of information depend on fabricated stories like molecules-to-man-evolution, old-Earthism, big-bang, relativism, natural-human-goodness, biblical-error stories that are made up to explain creation without the Creator and that are based on rationalizations and arbitrary assumptions like naturalism (no God), materialism (no God), uniformitarianism (no Flood). To go beyond made up stories, try CMI, ICR, and AIG.

All these things have been answered. You can't find the answers on Atheist apologists. You have to go to Christian apologists to get the other side. Try CMI, ICR, and AIG.

Jesus said, "My sheep hear My Voice." He speaks to me and to every person who follows Him. We know, not by stories based on arbitrary assumptions and rationalizations but by revelation. The proof that I have personally seen is directly revealed to me through various means by the Holy Spirit. This is a case of revelation versus blind make-believe-faith in fabricated stories that are based on arbitrary assumptions and rationalizations.

They may ask what those means are.

God speaks to me in my innermost soul/mind through Scripture, creation, (list the various means by which God speaks to you, a word of wisdom, word of knowledge, prophecy, dreams, visions, etc.) This is a case of revelation versus blind make-believe-faith in fabricated stories that are based on arbitrary assumptions and rationalizations. (some caveats about hearing God's Voice)

They will say that you are not experiencing what you are experiencing.

What proof, without assumption, or rationalization, have you personally seen that makes you think that I'm not experiencing what I'm experiencing?

Your claim that I and millions of Christians are not experiencing what we are experiencing is just one more fabricated story just like the molecules-to-man-evolution, old-Earthism, big-bang, relativism, natural-human-goodness, biblical-error stories, that are made up to explain creation without the Creator and that are based on rationalizations and arbitrary assumptions like naturalism (no God), materialism (no God), uniformitarianism (no Flood) as opposed to real ongoing experience of being led by Jesus, the Creator.

They will not be able to give a rational answer.

They will want to drag this out, but just return to your first question in every response. Answer briefly and tag it to the bottom.

They will want to establish scientism--only natural science is allowed. This is a demand that naturalism and scientism are the only ways to find truth. If they go there, they are changing the subject. Note that they are changing the subject and ask the same questions. See Scientism/Naturalism.