click here to learn more about being redeemed from sin and set free to serve God in spirit and in truth. click here to learn more about holiness click here to learn more about being changed into the same image click here to learn more about sowing and reaping click here to learn more about the free gift of righteousness. click here to learn more about how faith gives us access to grace and grace does the works. click here to learn more about faith and how it comes. click here to learn more about acknowledging Jesus click here to learn more about how God speaks Who will you listen to?  Click here to learn more. click here to learn more about the pattern of God. click here to learn more about the pattern of God for individuals, marriage, and family. click here to learn more about the pattern of God for the local church click here to learn more about the Church universal
 
SeekFind Logo Menu

Creation Debate Issue #4: Predictability

 

Creation Debate Issue #4: Predictability

Ken Ham presented several predictions made by the Creation model. Bill Nye countered by not acknowledging that the predictions had even been mentioned and by saying that he wanted Ken Ham to provide some predictions. Ken Ham presented more predictions. Bill Nye countered by not acknowledging that the predictions had been supplied and still insisting, in denial of reality, that Ken Ham could not provide predictions. This is known as the logical fallacy of proof by repeated assertion. Bill Nye continued to repeat this assertion throughout the debate.

Bill Nye also spoke of some predictions for the molecules-to-man story, but a fact check reveals that those predictions were misrepresented. They were bogus.

So, after analysis, Creation does provide many predictions. But is predictability something that proves something to be true?

This issue of predictability tends to end up creating a confirmation bias using the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent. This is a formal fallacy and not uncommon.

  • Premise 1. If the big bang actually took place, then we would predict finding cosmic microwave background, stars moving away from us, and the ratios of hydrogen, helium and other trace elements having a certain ratio.
  • Premise 2. We find cosmic microwave background, stars moving away from us, and the ratios of hydrogen, helium and other trace elements having the expected ratio.
  • Conclusion: Therefore, big bang actually took place.

That sounds really logical, but it is a formal fallacy. Let's take the same form an put something obvious in it. Let's apply this same kind of logic to you by someone you know well.

  • Premise 1. If you are mean and an evil person, then I would expect that I would sometimes be mad at you.
  • Premise 2. I am sometimes mad at you.
  • Conclusion: Therefore, you are mean and an evil person.

Premise 1 may be true, and premise 2 may be true, but the form makes the conclusion unreliable. Let's do another one.

  • Premise 1. If you don't exist, then I would expect that I would not be able to see you.
  • Premise 2. I am not able to see you.
  • Conclusion: Therefore, you don't exist.

How many other things could cause someone not to be able to see you? You are too far away, there is a wall between you and the other person, or the person is blind for instance.

So, there were three things that went on during the debate regarding predictability. One was a mind game (proof by repetition) played effectively by Bill Nye where he repeatedly asserted, with a straight face, that there is nothing that the Creation model can predict and ignoring any information to the contrary in a very audacious way. The second is in the fact that Bill Nye's alleged predictions were not real. And the third is that while prediction may provide some kind of confirmation or even probability, perhaps, it is not proof of anything. One of the big problems is that the predictions that actually do work out for the big-bang-billions-of-years-molecules-to-man story are also what you would expect for Creation and the worldwide Flood, so they confirm nothing.



Author/Compiler
Last updated: May, 2014
How God Will Transform You - FREE Book  
 




Bread Crumbs

 
Home     >   Meaning     >   Christian Witness     >   Answers for Witness     >   Stories Versus Revelation     >   Creation, Flood, Etc.     >   Is Creation a Viable Model of Origins?     >   Creation Debate Issue #4: Predictability

Main

Foundations

Home

Meaning

Bible

Dictionary

History

Toons & Vids

Quotations

Similar

Creation Debate Issue #1: Assumptions Versus Divine Revelation

Creation Debate Issue #2: Historical Science/Observational Science versus Just Science

Creation Debate Issue #3: The Topic of the Debate

Creation Debate Issue #4: Predictability

Creation Debate Issue #5: Personality and Other Irrelevance

Creation Debate: Each Man's Purpose in Debating

Creation Debate: Opening Statements

Creation Debate: Presentations

Creation Debate: Rebuttals

Creation Debate Counter Rebuttals

Creation Debate: Questions from the Audience


Recent

Home

Answer to Critic

Appeal to Possibility

Circular Reasoning

Argument to the Future

Insignificant Cause

Word Magic

Love Between a Man and Woman

Author/Compiler

Colossians 2

Righteousness & Holiness

Don't Compromise

Sin

Proof by Atheism

Scriptures About Marriage

Genuine Authority

The Reason for Rejecting Truth

Witness on the Internet

Flaky Human Reasoning

How Do You Know?



Featured


The Real Purpose of the Church

The Real Purpose of Life

From Glory to Glory

REAL Faith--What it IS & IS NOT

REAL Love--What it IS & IS NOT

How to be Led by God

How to Witness

Wisdom: Righteousness & Reality

Holiness & Mind/Soul

Redemption: Free From Sin

Real Reality

Stories Versus Revelation

Understanding Logic

Logical Fallacies

Circular Reasoning-Who is Guilty?

How Can We Know Anything?

God's Word

God's Process

God's Pattern

Mind Designed to Relate to God

Answers for the Confused

Fossil Record Says: "Creation"

Avoid These Pitfalls

Public School's Religion

Twisting Science

Evolutionism

Public School Failures

Twisting History


How can we know anything about anything? That's the real question

more info: mouseover or click

The complexity of Gods Way understood in a single diagram
Obey your flesh and descend into darkness