How Has The Separation Of Church And State Become Another Myth Of Liberalism?
How can we know anything about anything
To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald
Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?
NO!
That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.
Take science as an example.
How can we know anything about the created material world around us?
How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?
We all see the same things in the material world,
but we don't come to the same answers.
Why is that?
How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches?
Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.
Why is that?
Same scientific facts. Different answers.
Same Bible. Different answers.
Why is that?
The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get
from what we can see through science
or what we can read in the Bible?
How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?
How do we analyze what we have seen and read?
How do we interpret what we have seen and read?
We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock.
That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation.
There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.
An example might help.
Question: Why do you believe in evolution?
Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.
Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?
Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.
Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.
If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.
When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered.
So where to the foundations come from?
There are three possibilities.
- things that we make up, pulled from the air
- demonic lies
- divine revelation
Question: Why do you believe in creation?
Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith
so that I could believe Him.
See how quickly we got to the foundation.
This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.
In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air,
are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan.
So these are one and the same.
Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ.
So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices?
Because God has revealed this truth to us.
The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God
and the lies of Satan?
The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.
Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"
The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem.
It is a moral problem.
Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you:
For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened."
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Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children,
how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him?
Matthew 7:7-11 *
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe
those things that they don't want to submit to.
They have to want to obey God.
How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver
Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)
"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"
Lies appear to have no price upon them.
They seem cheap and they abound everywhere.
But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.
"[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness.
And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him.
God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).
"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words;
that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)
That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus.
When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject.
Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.
"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)
Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university.
On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before
who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them,
but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.
In another case of just listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning,
the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.
They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air.
When asked why he believed his basic assumption,
the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out,
"I guess I'm making the whole thing up."
It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions.
However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn't want God to rule over him.
The reality is that there is no separation of Church and State as required by the Constitution. The Constitution states that the Federal Government will make no law that establishes a certain religion, but we have an established religion: Secular Humanism is the religion that is increasingly established by the Federal Government. Secular Humanism is a religion and not a religion depending on what is in its best interest at the moment.
Here is what Secular Humanists say: "I am convinced that the battle for humankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as the proselytizers of a new faith: a religion of humanity that recognizes and respects the spark of what theologians call divinity in every human being. These teachers must embody the same selfless dedication as the most rabid fundamentalist preachers, for they will be ministers of another sort, utilizing a classroom instead of a pulpit to convey humanist values in whatever subject they teach, regardless of the educational level preschool day care or large state university."
The Humanist, January/February 1983, "A Religion for a New Age." [SIC]
Every effort is made by the governmental enforcers of this established religion to stop any godly expression. The godly are continuously assaulted by every form of legal and coercive action to limit their free speech.
Recently, a high school student was forced to take legal action because he was discriminated against regarding his free expression of his religious beliefs. Those beliefs, which are the clear statements of the Bible in Romans 1:27 among other references, said that homosexuality is shameful. While other students were free to express their conflicting opinion (based on nothing other than the fact that they were declaring their opinion to be correct), The Christian student was expelled from school for his expression. A law suit followed, Harper v. Poway was filed in the United States District Court for the Southern District of California.
Repeatedly, the Humanist religious doctrines of evolution, promiscuity, socialism/covetousness, polytheism, pantheism, agnosticism, atheism, disrespect, anti-family, anti-Christ, anti-God, chaos theory/lying and bearing false witness, and many others are being taught in our schools and promoted on our mass-communication systems while Christian messages are filtered out and suppressed.
These are but examples of what goes on throughout our country, not only in public schools, but also in many other areas of life.
Longtime nationally syndicated journalist Jack Germond called the struggle over the fate of Terri Schiavo [the voice of Christians protesting the killing of an innocent woman in the United States] a "grotesque, ridiculous exercise" on Friday, adding that the "nutty story" is a result of the "growing, staggering, frightening influence of religious organizations" in American politics.
CNSNews.com
That would mean that Jack Germond is asking 81 percent of the people to keep silent so that he and the rest of the members of the Atheist Human-Worship Religion can run the world. Jack Germond is frightened by 81% of the population because some of them have an influence in American politics. Wow!
In a new NEWSWEEK Poll, 78 percent of Americans believe Jesus rose from the dead; 75 percent say that he was sent to Earth to absolve mankind of its sins. Eighty-one percent say they are Christians; they are part of what is now the world's largest religion, with 2 billion believers, or roughly 33 percent of the earth's population.
msnbc
The secular creation-worshiping religions want to run things. They mistakenly think they have wisdom, in fact, think they have all the wisdom. The fool has said in his heart, there is no God. They want 81% of the population to stay home and not vote and not get involved in politics.
"We pray to give thanks for our freedom," the President said. "Freedom is our birthright because the Creator wrote it into our common human nature. No government can ever take a gift from God away." He then asserted that giving thanks to God is writ through and through upon American history, from Plymouth Rock to the Revolution and to this day. He reminded us that in our nation's supreme founding document, the Declaration of Independence, "...our Founders... declared it a self-evident truth that our right to liberty comes from God." Then, he concluded, "We pray to acknowledge our dependence on the Almighty [and] we who ask for God's help for ourselves, [since we] have a particular obligation to care for the least of our brothers and sisters within our midst."
How can he, and other elected leaders, get away with such a blatant breach of the "wall of separation" between church and state? Because, in short, there is no such doctrine supported in our Constitution or its superior guidance, our Declaration of Independence. In fact, the First Continental Congress called for national prayer.
President Bush's adversaries, those aforementioned "enlightened liberals," know that if they take him on, they will lose in both the national courts and the court of public opinion. After all, the Supreme Court affirmed the right of state legislatures to open their sessions with prayer (Marsh v Chambers, 1983), and liberals understand the extension of this ruling. They also understand that a vast majority of Americans honor God through prayer on a regular basis (though, unfortunately, many of them don't vote because they don't trust our politicians).
Mark Alexander http://www.Townhall.com
"The more publicity there is, the greater the chance that... the folks at places like Americans United for Separation of Church and State and the ACLU will attempt to intimidate a church. It wouldn't be surprising to me at all." LetFreedomRing.com President Colin Hanna
This is what will happen to us if Christians don't vote. You may wonder why stories that glorify God are always ignored by the major media. The major media shows some stories up to five stories in the same news cast day after day. Why? Those are stories that they can use, even though the stories are almost always highly fabricated, to mold public opinion. Be not squeezed into the world's mold. People end up watching the same story, told in different ways, during the same news cast. That's insane. The stories that promote Liberalism throughout the world are pumped up. Any representation of facts that actually give the whole true about the motives, violence, and deception of Liberalism are blacked out world-wide. " The major media is extremely committed to Liberalism. Of course, all of this is obvious to two-thirds of Americans, but one third still believe the major media. Christians need to wake up and stop sitting in the counsel of these ungodly people in the media. An article such as the following would never appear in the major media, yet these evils are happening daily. The media is Satan's tool to brainwash the masses of those foolish enough to listen to them. Bob
Christians Ordered to Renounce Their Faithin Laos
2004-04-26 VIENTIANE, LAOS --- Approximately 35 Christian families in the village of Nam Thuam, Nambak District, Luang Prabang Province, Laos, have been ordered to renounce their Christian faith by district government officials.
Background
Laos, a country slightly larger than Utah, is one of the few remaining official Communist states.
The world's third-largest illicit opium producer, Laos is a country with primitive infrastructure; it has no railroads, a rudimentary road system, and limited telecommunications. Electricity is available in only a few urban areas. Subsistence agriculture accounts for half of GDP.
It is also a country where Christians face severe persecution.
Christians Ordered to Renounce Faith
In March, 2004, Nambak District officials ordered Christians in the village of Nam Thuam to reject their faith or face consequences. Upon refusing, district officials sent government agents to Nam Thuam to live in the homes of Christians until they forsake their faith.
Some 35 agents are currently in Nam Thuam--one agent per Christian household--living with Christian families. The Christian households must pay for all expenses of each agent until they renounce their faith.
"There are government agents living with Christian families right now," said Bounpheng, 38, a Christian leader from Luang Prabang Province.
"Christians are getting tired..." Bounpheng told Christian Freedom International, "The Christians have to pay for all the expenses of the agent living with them like food, clothing, drinks, whatever they want. The agents say 'We will stay with you until you renounce your faith.' No one has renounced their faith; the government agents still stay with the Christians. The agents will not allow the Christians to worship together. The Christians are getting tired. You cannot pray or read the Bible in front of other people, just secretly."
According to Bounpheng and other Laotian Christians, the agents will stay in the homes of Christians until they renounce their faith or move away from the village. "They don't want any Christians in the village," said Bounpheng.
There are approximately 35 Christian families in a village of approximately 300 families. There is no church in Nam Thuam, just house churches.
Renounce Faith or Face Arrest
In the village of Thong Sa Vang, Phinh District, Savannakhet Province, all Christians have been asked to renounce their faith or face arrest.
Christian Freedom International interviewed Bounnhane, 68, a Christian leader from Thong Sa Vang who fled to Vientiane because he refused to give up his Christian faith.
"If I return to Thong Sa Vang I will be killed or arrested I cannot go back. I will not renounce my faith," said Bounnhane. My family said "don't come back, you will be killed."
Bibles have been confiscated in Thong Sa Vang. "Police take everything from Christians. The Bible is called an illegal document," said Bounnhane.
Trumped Up Charges
Bounnhane has been arrested two times for his faith on trumped up charges and served several years in prison.
Bounnhane was accused of working with Western workers to overthrow the government and attending "secret meetings." In reality he attended Sunday worship services with Westerners in attendance. Bounnhane said, "When I was arrested the authorities asked me, 'Were there any police at your meetings?' No. 'It was an illegal secret meeting then.'"
Outside Pressure Works
In Savannakhet Province some 20 churches are routinely forced to close their doors and are confiscated by the government.
"Whenever the U.S. government or outside pressure comes the churches are reopened, but as soon as the pressure stops the churches are forced to close again," said Bounnhane.
In 1998 Nan District government asked villagers in Pha Tong Lom to stop being Christians. "All of us Christians were asked to attend a seminar in a Buddhist temple, said Bounpheng. "We were told that the government is for development, not your religion.
Bounpheng said, "We were told, 'your religion has passed away like the old government. Your old government didn't do anything. Do you want to go back to that?'"
According Bounpheng, "After a week-long seminar they gave everyone in the village a paper to sign to renounce our faith, but no one would sign. Then they forced each person to sign by pointing a loaded gun at us."
Bounpheng said, "Even though we sign the paper, we continue to worship and still believe in Jesus. We renounce from being a Christian but we still believe in Jesus."
This angered authorities so they confiscated Bibles, shut down churches, and arrested Bounpheng. However, outside demands made a major difference. According to Bounpheng, "In 2002 we are free to worship again. The prime minister announced this because he got a lot of pressure from other countries, like the United States. Since 2002 there is still some persecution in my village, but not like before."
Christians Sentenced to Forced Labor
Christians in Laos are routinely arrested and placed in forced labor camps to work in rice fields. Sometimes all Christians in a village are arrested at the same time and are forced to work in the rice fields for four to five months without pay.
"They have so many ways to accuse you if you are a Christian. They will plant a gun in your house and say you are trying to overthrow the government. They are very clever," said. Bounnhane, "I have to always protect myself to make sure nothing is planted in my house."
Christians Suffer Disproportionately
The Lao People's Democratic Republic (LPDR) has an estimated population of only 5.2 million. Approximately 65 percent of the population follows Theravada Buddhism. Followers of animism, the second largest religion, are estimated at 30 percent of the population.
Christians constitute barely 2 percent of the population, but Christianity is growing rapidly throughout the country and the government is concerned.
Christian Freedom International Demands
Christian Freedom International is demanding that the Vientiane government order Nambak District officials to leave the homes of Christian families in the village of Nam Thuam.
Christian Freedom International urges the U.S. government and others to speak up for Christians in Laos and to urge the Vientiane government to put an end to the forced renunciations of Christians, confiscations of churches and Christian homes, and Christian literature including Bibles.
Christian Freedom International urges the immediate release of all prisoners of religious conscience, including Bounchanh and Nhot, Oudonxy Province, who have been in prison for more than 15 years for their Christian activities.
**Story courtesy of Christian Freedom International
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