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Do Evolutionists, Atheists, Agnostics, or Secular Humanists use real logic?



Obey your flesh and descend into darkness

How can we know anything about anything


To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do you believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

  1. things that we make up, pulled from the air
  2. demonic lies
  3. divine revelation

Question: Why do you believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened." *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

"[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In another case of just listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, "I guess I'm making the whole thing up." It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn't want God to rule over him.

 


Do these People Use Real or Fake Logic?  

Real logic does not mix in rationalized speculations and It is hard to understand why tax dollars are still being used to promote evolution. The Secular religion doesn’t use real logic. Nor does the Agnostic religion or the Atheist religion. Nor do any other denominations of Secularism. Repeatable experiments and actual observation and pure mathematical logic show us that evolutionism is impossible. Repeatable experiments and actual observation and pure mathematical logic show us that almighty God exists and the He created the universe. They show us that there was a world-wide flood. They show us that the Bible is free from errors. This is all a very big problem for Secular Humanists, Agnostics, and Atheists. Evolution, by the way, isn't science and those who believe in it do so by violating all the rules of logic.  
 

Detailed Answer

The Secular Humanist religion states, as a matter of worldly faith that the human mind is god-like if it is not god. It states that the human mind can make up knowledge. Well, then it has had to go on to state by the same worldly faith that every person's reality is different from every other person's reality. Logic is supposed to use real information to come up with answers. It is mathematical, and the rules of real logic are based on observation. For instance, by observation we know that something cannot be true at the same time that it is false.  
 
Pure thought is not based on logic, however. Logic has limits, and it is always dealing with a limited amount of information. Filling in the blanks with assumptions is not valid. If you change the assumptions, you change the answer. And there is no such thing as a valid assumption.  
 
Many people, today, don't even know whether they are dealing with logic and observation or whether they have crossed over into speculation. Rational-lie-zed speculation is everywhere present. It is the reason that innocent people are sent to prison. It is the reasoning by which weak Christians argue. It is the basis of most of politics. It is the basis of evolution.  
 
Logic is simply a set of rules that have been observed to be in operation in the world around us. They are the part of the order of the universe that we have been able to observe up until this point. The reality is that logic is not valid if we inject Rational-lie-zed speculations into it. At that point, we are using logic to yield answers that are not realistic. For this reason, logic is very limited. It is valuable, but extending it beyond its limits is merely a method of deception.  
 
Pure thought is based on logic, so the story goes.  
We swallow this line easily, as everybody knows.  
But reasoning and logic fall short to tell what's true.  
And scholars argue constantly all mired in a goo  
Of logical assumptions--they all sit in their stew,  
As they have done for ages. This is nothing new.  
 
Their books and papers, proven false by that which they can see,  
But, proud and haughty, they deny that it can ever be.  
Scientist or theologian--they are all the same.  
Facts based on assumptions, all stirring in their brains.  
A brain so proud, it says to God, "Who are You to tell."  
And gives us quite a clue to just how Satan fell.  
 
The more they learn, the more they know, the more confused they are,  
For when they learn what isn't true, they're stuck in pitch-black tar.  
They look into the Bible, but they don't see the Word.  
A veil is there before their eyes. They see what they had heard.  
Is God able to reveal? Can His Spirit show--  
If we're willing now to yield--things that we must know?  
 
As God reveals, won't He know to show us all the same?  
Won't He show us in the way the Bible does proclaim?  
For God does send, the Bible says, and tells us how He sends.  
He chooses whom He will to send. On that we can depend.  
If there is great discord and all this argument,  
It simply means that someone runs whom God has never sent.  
 
Copyright Bob and Kathy Stenson, Freeware. Use it freely.  
 
Reality has a problem with logic in that, if you plug in the wrong values into the formula, you get the wrong answers. If you plug real values into an unproven formula, you also are simply deceiving. There are many other ways that logic is misused to make a case for just about anything including:  
 
global warming  
evolution  
killing people  
the "danger" of the hole in the ozone layer  
socialism  
communism  
anti-Christian attitudes  
immorality  
anti-family attitudes  
hate toward followers of Christ  
 
Since we only know in part, we can't get conclusive answers to many questions using purely mathematical logic. So, logic and observation can do some things, such as build millions of gasoline engines that actually run or make computer chips that work in computers. It is just limited because of incomplete and bad information, plus an incomplete understanding of logic. There is much that we don't know.

Numbers 15:39... and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:

Psalm 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walks wisely, he shall be delivered.  
 
Jeremiah 23:16 Thus says the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walks after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.  
 
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Summary

The Secular Humanist religion has a problem with logic in that pure repeatable experiments and observation and pure mathematical logic prove that evolutionism is impossible. Pure repeatable experiments and observation and pure mathematical logic prove that God exists and that He created the universe. They prove the world-wide flood. This is all a very big problem for Secular Humanists.  Evolution isn't science.  

 




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