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The Problem Of Ungodly Counsel



Obey your flesh and descend into darkness

How can we know anything about anything


To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do you believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

  1. things that we make up, pulled from the air
  2. demonic lies
  3. divine revelation

Question: Why do you believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened." *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

"[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In another case of just listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, "I guess I'm making the whole thing up." It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn't want God to rule over him.

If you allow the Spirit to lead you to Spiritual music, teaching, reading, meditation, and action, then you will find that the soil of your heart becomes increasingly open to God's good seed. The weeds will slowly die out. The fruit of the Spirit will spring up. God will create a clean heart in you.

God gives good counsel.   God has given wonderful counsel in the church.   He speaks to us through the Bible.   He leads us in a still small voice through our  conscience.   He shows us  His nature through His creation.

What happens when a Christian turns to ungodly counsel? Consider the effects of ungodly counsel in the form of the ungodly news, education, friends, advisers, movies, TV, radio, and music. The relationship with God suffers.   Iniquities begin to create a separation from God.   The Christian can easily be fooled, since spiritual hearing has become so dull.   Spiritual eyes can no longer tell the difference between the holy vision and the corrupt imagination.   The Christian becomes wise in his or her own eyes.

If you listen to ungodly counsel, follow after ungodly celebrities, listen to ungodly music, or try to get help from ungodly sources, then you will find that the soil of your heart will become hard and unable to respond to God's good seed. You will have no response to the Holy Spirit. If you continually step across into sin, you will find that the soil of your heart will become stony and unable to have a depth of spiritual experience. You will at best have an intellectual or emotional response to the Holy Spirit. If you allow the world to push you and pull you into its cares, worries, entertainments, pleasures, and ambitions, then you will find that your heart is full of weeds and God's good seed will be choked by those weeds. You will never find satisfaction or fulfillment.    

There is Christian music that is of the wrong spirit.   There are really nice movies that have nice messages, but the quiet message is that there is NO GOD in this movie.   The Christian opens the door for the news media to twist his or her opinion.   Humor on TV begins to force the Christian's mind into the world's mold.   Classes finish shaping the mind of the Christian.   A really sweet cartoon teaches the children that there is no difference between Kwanzaa and Christmas.   The list could go on.

And the carnal is contentious, contends against God.   The argument goes: There's nothing wrong with that music, movie, joke, cartoon.   Though there may be a lot wrong with what was said and done, that is not really the point.   The point is that anything that God did not author is sin.   Whatever is not of faith is sin and Jesus is the author and finisher of faith.   God is looking for people who will yield to His Spirit so that they only speak His words by His Spirit.   They only do His acts by His Spirit.   They are those who have come into submission to the King of kings and Lord of  lords.   We can always "prove" that we are right, but is God convinced? (Proverbs 16:2)   In the end, God knows... and you and I know, too.   Don't we?   The Lord  has a plan that says which songs will be sung in the service this week.   He has a plan about the way the service will flow.   We need to learn how to be directed by the Spirit of God.

It's amazing how well the Secularists are able to manage the expectations of Christians.   Christians go to movies that don't have too much vulgarity... only a little bit.   And the movie has not nudity, only some sensual scenes.   We sit for hours listening to Secularists giving their favorite messages.

What is the worst sin?   It is the sin against the greatest commandment.   What is the greatest commandment?   Thou shalt love the Lord, your God with all your soul, and all your mind, and all your strength.   What is the most important Secular message?   The most important Secular message is this: "Don't love the Lord, your God with all your soul, and all your mind, and all your strength."   God is left out of the characters that are portrayed in movies and books.   If God is included, it is to make fun of those who love God.   If someone is introduced early as a Christian, particularly a Bible-believing Christian, that person will be a nut, probably dangerous, before the end of the story.   There is a tremendous amount of effort being brought to keep any Christian from speaking of his or her experience with Christ.   More than any time in history, a Christian needs wisdom to witness.   Yet, Christians turn to ungodly witnesses.



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Human theology and reasoning is not necessarily correct, but the Bible is without error. The Bible can only be understood by revelation, and revelation is given by the Spirit of God. God does reveal in His own way. But we only know in part. If we think we know any thing, we do not know it as we ought. We are instructed, by God, to keep seeking Him. The Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. The truth sets us free. Lies bind us. Whoever seeks Jesus does find Him. Jesus is the truth.
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