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How can we know anything about anything


To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do you believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

  1. things that we make up, pulled from the air
  2. demonic lies
  3. divine revelation

Question: Why do you believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened." *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

"[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In another case of just listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, "I guess I'm making the whole thing up." It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn't want God to rule over him.

How Old Does the Bible Say the Earth Is?    

We know for certain, by revelation, that the creation took place relatively recently.  Old-earthers guess that the earth must be very old by circular reasoning and wishful thinking.  For more information on this, check out these links: Does Real Science Support Evolution And An Old Earth? read  How Old is the Earth? read  The Real Problem With The Gap Theory: read  What Is Wrong With Believing That The Earth Is Billions Of Years Old If There Is A Way That You Can Reconcile That With Scripture, Even Though Such A Reconciliation Requires Some Amazingly Complex And Strange Assumptions? read

While it is possible to believe the teachings of the Old-Earth Cult and also believe that Jesus exists, the same Jesus testifies to us through our spirits that He is the creator and that the Bible is His Word without error.  There is only one place in Scripture that would possibly allow for an old Earth, but that place would not allow for any form of Darwinism.  In fact, even in that one place, the only reason anyone would want to say that enormous amounts of time had passed would be based on speculation alone, and God forbids such speculation regarding His revelation.  Those who follow Old-Earth teachings need to listen to Jesus when He tells them that it is in Him alone that they can find life, peace, joy, fulfillment, love, righteousness, and every other good thing.   They think that millions of years of random chance have formed the Earth and reject the idea of a sovereign God.  They think that death preceded sin, but the Bible tells us that death is caused by sin.  There is no such story in any implied in Scripture, in the creation, or by the Holy Spirit. 

It should be mentioned that scientific method does not, in itself, have the capacity to prove either a young or an old Earth. Both positions use the same scientific facts to come to very different conclusions based on either presupposition or direct revelation. Some would say it this way: the differences are in the beliefs, and those beliefs are based either in presuppositions or in revelation. The same applies to Evolution. Scientists apply scientific method in order to use their beliefs to make speculations that are consistent with those beliefs about what happened in the past. Some are aware that this is the process that they are using, but most, especially those on the side of Evolutionism and Old-Earthism, are totally oblivious to their bias. Logic can only have at its basis one of three things: revelation, circularity, or assumption (which is vapor).    

The Old-Earth Cult is a dogma of Atheism.  Atheists don't realize that they were created to be joined to Jesus Christ, to have a continual flow of the Anointing of His Holy Spirit through them so that the Spirit will continually lead them and the Creator will do His work through them.   Many Christians have followed such teachings and found themselves living as if they were Atheists, accepting such doctrines as Naturalism, Materialism, and Uniformitarianism, the axioms based solely on circular reasoning.  Those who believe the teachings of the Old-Earth Cult are often blind to the fact that they were created to walk from glory to every-increasing glory by the Spirit of God.  They don't realize that God created things that were good, knowing that mankind would sin but also knowing that He could win mankind back to Himself through love, and that the final state of creation would be far superior to the beginning state.  Those who believe the teachings of the Old-Earth Cult are trapped in their own desires and tangled in the many lies that come from the father of all lies.  If they did listen, God would set them free.

Many Christians have lost their faith because of speculations regarding the age of the earth. These speculations usually put death before sin, eliminate the world-wide flood and replace it with millions of years, and eliminate the creation and replace it with billions of years.  If death is before sin, then sin does not cause death.  If sin does not cause death, that destroys the Gospel of Jesus Christ.    

This is an area of revelation in which God has not seemed to give any revelation at all to those who have been set for such a purpose.  God's revelation has seemed to center on the re-creation, rather, of the new man through the church.  In that light, it is important to avoid speculation in either direction.

First, we need to realize that there is a huge difference between theology and the Bible... just as there is a huge difference between scientific theories and empirical science.  We know that the scientific theories of an old earth are based on assumptions and that changing the assumptions changes the conclusion to make a very young earth.  In other word, this so-called science is merely speculation.  We know that Evolutionism requires an old earth and that this is the real driver behind the old-earth theories.  In the same way, there are theologies that say that the six days of creation are really billions of years.  In the same way that the old-earth science is merely speculation, these old-earth theologies are merely speculation and best avoided by Christians.  There has been no extra-biblical revelation that has shown them to be true in any sense, yet many Christians are dogmatic about them, possibly in an effort to appease the Secular Humanist religionists or to avoid criticism by the pseudo-intellectuals of the day.

There is plenty of evidence for a young Earth and a recent creation: 

The theories that say "In Genesis 1, a day means millions of years," came up at the same time the Secular Humanists pushed a political agenda by saying that believing that the Bible was the Word of God would be just plain stupid. 

Unfortunately, the Secular Humanist religion captured every method of communication: TV, radio, magazines, grade school, high school, higher education, government, the governmental scientific grant systems, and about half of the Christian churches.  In essence, they brainwashed what was once a Christian nation, the US along with every other nation. Christians have been brainwashed into the Secular belief system.

We also need to realize that the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit.  In other words, God is not impressed with any human interpretation.

In the same way, there are many end-time speculations.  Unless God gives specific revelation to the contrary, we would be hard pressed to say that they are categorically false, yet they go beyond what the Bible says (while quoting a lot of Scripture).  They are speculations.  The Bible forbids speculation.

So let's start with what is clear.  If we follow a rational reading of Scripture, then the six days of creation took place roughly 6,000 years ago, about 4,000 BC.  Exodus 20:11 For In Six Days The LORD Made Heaven And Earth, The Sea, And All That In Them Is.  Interestingly, the plain understanding of the text as six literal days does not disagree with any empirical science.  Many speculations disagree with that a six-day creation--but the speculations are vapors and many of the arguments are biased in favor of the Secular Humanist Religion.  The direction of travel is that, as we learn more about the physical world, these dates become increasingly more firmly confirmed.

In an unrelated age-of-the-earth speculation, some theologians have the opinion that there was a gap in the beginning of Genesis.  Some Christians get mixed up by these two unrelated speculations.  They get them tangled together in their minds and the two speculations are used to confirm each other.  The human mind is very weak.  God never created it to be used outside of the flow of His anointing and the order of the Body of Christ.

This gap speculation goes something like this: In the first chapter of Genesis, it says, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Next, it says, "The earth was without form and void."  While there is a totally speculative gap theory that neither the Bible nor science can falsify, there is also no evidence at all for this (or any other) gap theory.  It is useless.  This is the theory that God created Lucifer and the angels in a previous creation that also included the heavens and the earth but no animals and not mankind.  Satan fell and everything became without form and void.  Then God created a new heaven and a new earth, which took seven days.  The fact is that this is a useless theory.

Some speculators believe that between those two verses, there was a time when all the dinosaurs lived.  That cannot be true from both a Biblical standpoint and a natural science standpoint.   The fossil record is either an account of a great world wide flood or else millions of years.  The flood would have wiped out any fossils that might have formed in the supposed millions of years.  If it is an account of millions of year, then there was no flood and the Bible is false.

The fossil record speaks conclusively of the world-wide flood in which many dinosaurs, along with other animals and plants, died.  The efforts of evolutionists to try to make the residue that was left behind by this flood seem to be evidence of millions of years have been shown, by science, to be unscientific.  The Bible also declares that sin came through Adam and death through sin.  In short, this "death in the gap" theory is obviously false.  From Exodus 20:11, we can conclude that either all the gap theories are false or else the Bible is false.

Genesis 1   1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.      
   2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Consider the Word.  What does it really say?  What do we read into it by rationalized or spiritualized speculation? 

Does it say that God, Who is Light, and in Whom is no darkness at all, made something that was without form and void (empty) and darkness was upon it, and then God fixed it in six days?  Does it say that God made the heaven and the earth and then something happened that caused the earth to become without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep?  That is one of the arguments that some people have made.  You can see that this gap theory is based on many assumptions and adding things to the Word of God.  It appears that this argument has its real basis in the counsel of the ungodly atheistic Evolutionists.  Why would anyone listen to such godless people?

There is an argument that says that Satan and the angels were created during the six days of creation.  Exodus 20:11 For In Six Days The LORD Made Heaven And Earth, The Sea, And All That In Them Is. We believe what the Scripture teaches in all such areas because the Scripture has proven that it cannot be broken and Scripture says of itself that it cannot be broken.  We don't, however, understand everything in Scripture.

Unless God gives revelation on this, should we be bothering ourselves?

Deuteronomy 29:29    
The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.

The Bible is literally true.  The Bible has proven itself to be an authority far superior to the vagaries of the various scientific methods that are out there.  God is no more impressed with my opinions than He is with your opinions.  God can reveal something to someone, but a revelation will never conflict with Scripture.

Some people think they know the answer to all these things.  Perhaps.  As the evolutionist is able to go very smoothly from science into rationalized speculation, so the theologian is able to go very smoothly from the Bible into rationalized or spiritualized speculation.  It happens so smoothly that the theologian isn't even aware of what has happened.  Perhaps some people do know the answer to all these types of questions.  Perhaps this also is simply speculation dressed up as rational thought.  There are arguments for both sides, but it's OK to say, "I don't know and when God is concerned that I do know, He will reveal it to me."  This website is going to stay out of the gap argument.  We'll apply Deuteronomy 29:29 to it.

If there were a space of time in the so-called gap, the length of time is certainly not indicated. To say otherwise would require either speculation or else revelation. In other words, it would either be a revelation from God or else it would be a rationalized speculation from the pit.

The way that the fossils are situated in the earth makes us certain that the dinosaurs were made after the six days of creation and that many of them died in the great flood. The theory that they were made before the six days of creation doesn't fit with what we can observe in the layers of earth strata that the flood left everywhere, and it also conflicts with the Scripture.

Speculation can take many forms, and the human mind is very deceptive. It's far better to leave speculation to the elite class of Humanists. They are much more fitted to serve the flesh than those who are following Jesus. The interpretation of Scripture is surely only by the power of the Holy Spirit, as the Bible teaches, not by the power of the human mind, as the Humanist religion teaches.

One of the reasons that the idea of evolution took hold in the first place was a bit of a rational-lie-zed speculation that was popular around the time that Darwin released his book. That rational-lie-zed speculation stated that there could be no variations at all, not even adaptations within a kind of animal. Well, their rational-lie-zed speculation was easy to disprove, and that made it easy for Darwin to sell his book. And that made anti-God people really happy. No wonder God told us not to add anything to the Bible or take anything away from it. God doesn't need our creativity. He doesn't need our private interpretations. He doesn't need our natural minds to cause understanding of spiritual things. He supplies any ideas we may need.

Psalm 131    
1 Lord, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.    
2 Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child.    
   
The absence of speculation is a mark of spiritual maturity.

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John 10:35b the Scripture cannot be broken,


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What About The Bible--doesn't It Say The Earth Is About 6,000 Years Old?


Human theology and reasoning is not necessarily correct, but the Bible is without error. The Bible can only be understood by revelation, and revelation is given by the Spirit of God. God does reveal in His own way. But we only know in part. If we think we know any thing, we do not know it as we ought. We are instructed, by God, to keep seeking Him. The Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. The truth sets us free. Lies bind us. Whoever seeks Jesus does find Him. Jesus is the truth.
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