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How can we know anything about anything


To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation. George Macdonald

Do we have to make a choice between science and the Bible?

NO!

That is NOT where the problem is, but that is what everyone seems to want to talk about.

Take science as an example. How can we know anything about the created material world around us?

How can we know anything from what we can see using natural sciences?

We all see the same things in the material world, but we don't come to the same answers.

Why is that?

How can we know anything about the Bible and what it teaches? Every person believes different things about the Bible and how it should be read.

Why is that?

Same scientific facts. Different answers.

Same Bible. Different answers.

Why is that?

The true question is this: How do we come to our answers that we get from what we can see through science or what we can read in the Bible?

How do we think about what we see using science or what we read in the Bible?

How do we analyze what we have seen and read?

How do we interpret what we have seen and read?

We use logic, but logic always has a foundation. Jesus talked about building on the Rock. That Rock is Jesus Christ. He is the true foundation. There are also the false foundations of the ungodly.

An example might help.

Question: Why do believe in evolution?

Answer: Because my science teacher told me that evolution is scientific fact.

Question: Why do you believe your science teacher?

Answer: because he agrees with the textbook he assigned us to read.

Now, we have asked, "Why?" twice.

If we continued to ask, "Why?" we would come down to the foundation of this person's thoughts.

When we get down to the foundations, there are no more questions that can be answered. So where to the foundations come from?

There are three possibilities.

  1. things that we make up, pulled from the air
  2. demonic lies
  3. divine revelation

Question: Why do believe in creation?

Answer: Because God revealed this to me. He spoke to me through the Bible and gave me His faith so that I could believe Him.

See how quickly we got to the foundation. This is a belief that has a foundation that is solid and that cannot be moved.

In reality, the things that we make up, that are pulled from the air, are actually from demons and all the lies of demons spring from the prince of demons, Satan. So these are one and the same.

Divine revelation comes from the Almighty, Creator, God, Jesus Christ. So there are only two choices, but how do we know there are only two choices? Because God has revealed this truth to us.

The question then is how do we tell the difference between the revelation that comes from God and the lies of Satan?

The answer is that everyone who sincerely wants to do the will of God will know.

Jesus said, "If you really want to obey God, you will know if what I teach comes from God or from me"

The rejection of the revelation that comes from God is not an intellectual problem. It is a moral problem.

Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For everyone who asks receives; and he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks it shall be opened. *

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to those who ask him? Matthew 7:7-11 *

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can set the truth before someone, but you can't make anyone believe those things that they don't want to submit to. They have to want to obey God.

How frequently it is brought to our attention that nothing good can be done if the will is wrong! Reason alone fails to justify itself. Richard M. Weaver

Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

"If we are not prepared to buy the truth at the cost of our own humbling we shall not receive it"

Lies appear to have no price upon them. They seem cheap and they abound everywhere. But for the truth there is always an obvious price to pay.

[God] has set a day when He will judge all the world's people with fairness. And He has chosen the man Jesus to do the judging for Him. God has given proof of this to all of us by raising Jesus from death" (Acts 17:31).

"There is a judge for the one who rejects Me [Jesus] and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (John 12:48)

That also stands for every person who speaks the utterances of Jesus. When we hear them, we hear Jesus Christ, and we either accept or reject. Every person who follows Jesus Christ is commanded to only speak His utterances and not their own.

"When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God" (1 John 3:19)

Ravi Zacharias did two open forums in a university. On the second night, one man told him that he had brought two Atheists in the night before who said that the arguments presented were so strong that they could not contend with them, but they were going to remain Atheists because that is what they prefer to be true.

In listening to an unbeliever and drawing out his reasoning, the unbeliever finally came to his foundations.

They turned out to be assumptions that were pulled from the air. When asked why he believed his basic assumption, the unbeliever looked startled and blurted out, “I guess I’m making the whole thing up.” It was quite a revelation to him since he hadn't even known that he had any assumptions. However, he decided to remain an Atheist because he didn’t want God to rule over him.

We know that the ministries and offices of the Church are counterfeited. Every gift of God, including salvation, is counterfeited. By their fruits shall you know them. The Scriptural order is very plain.

The counterfeits:

There are many instances where authority is claimed but a man or an organization is glorified. Anyone would know that this is not from God.

A friend of mine went to a seminar where anyone who wanted it could purchase the right to be a "five-fold ministry."  What would make anyone believe they could purchase something like this?  It really brings to mind Simon the Sorceror.

There is a group that saw, in Scripture, that there has to be apostles in the Church. They didn't see any, so they simply decided to be the apostles.  Rather than wait on God, they just usurped the authority.

There are groups of apostles that function under a one-man ministry.  That is, there is a local pastor who set up some people under his or her authority and gave those people the title of apostle.  Apostle means, "one sent," and they were sent by man not by God.

There are those who are called apostles but are not under the headship of all the other apostles. They desire to be maverick.  That is not scriptural.

There is a very plain scriptural order of apostles.  It is obvious that they are here until we all come into the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.  They will be here until that happens, and we must build the Church according to the pattern God has given us in Scripture.

 




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Apostles


How Long Will There Be Apostles? (Go)
1 Corinthians 1:1-4:2 The Pattern Of Apostles (Go)
1 Corinthians 12:28-30, God Hath Set Some In The Church, First Apostles, Secondarily Prophets, (Go)
2 Corinthians 11:13-14, False Apostles (Go)
Acts 15:2-16:4, God's Order For Establishing Doctrine In The Universal Church (Go)
Acts 8:14-20, Apostles Being Led By The Holy Spirit (Go)
Aren't There False Apostles Out There? (Go)
Don't Be Fooled By The Many False Promises Of The Worldly Systems And All Their Empty Promises (Go)
Don't Some Theologians And Scholars Say That There Were Only 12 Apostles And That Is All There Will Ever Be? (Go)
False Kingdoms (Go)
Following people who were not sent by God (Go)
Galatians 2:2 Paul Went To The Other Apostles By Revelation To Make Sure He Was Not Off Track. He Was Not Independent. (Go)
God's method by which He intends to bring us all to fullness is through a body ministry operating in the Church He designed. (Go)
Was Peter the foundation of the church and the first pope? (Go)
Seek to Know God. (Go)
God's Order Works. (Go)
Isn't God's way like a smorgasbord where you can pick and choose what you want or don't want? No. (Go)
God Forbids Speculation. (Go)
Is there really any pattern in Scripture for the Church? Yes. Most people don't like it. (Go)
Holiness Brings Clearer Vision and Hearing (Go)
How Can I Know God's Will And Be Led By The Spirit Of God? (Go)
Was There Such a Thing as The Apostolic Age? (Go)
Jeremiah 23:16-22 False Prophets (Go)
Joel 2:25-32 The Restoration In The Remnant (Go)
Are the local churches to teach no other doctrine than the Apostle's Doctrine? (Go)
Matthew 11:25 God Has Hid These Things From The Wise And Prudent, And Hast Revealed Them Unto Babes. (Go)
Press Toward The Mark Of Your High Calling In Christ Jesus (Go)
The Bible -- Satan Knows that He Can Keep You in Frustration if You are Not Faithfully being Fed by the Bible. (Go)
Questions and Answers: What is the Church; How should it be governed? (Go)
Questions and Answers: What is the role of the deacons in this situation? (Go)
Receiving Revelation (Go)
Romans 8:28-29 God's purpose for our lives is that we become like Jesus. (Go)
What is the 5-fold ministry and why is it important? (Go)
Aren't apostles something from the past? (Go)
Seek The Lord For Revelation As You Read The Scripture (Go)
Taking Ground, Holding Ground, Total Victory (Go)
The Problem Of Churches That Are Not Fulfilling Their Purpose. (Go)
What does the Bible say about the government of the church? (Go)
Why is the 5-fold ministry of the Scripture so unpopular? (Go)
Aren’t there false apostles and false prophets? (Go)
The Move of the Spirit of 1948 From the Papers and Memories of Milford E. Kirkpatrick (Go)
If the Bible's so great, why don't the churches of today look like the church of the New Testament? (Go)
How can the church come to the full glory God has planned for her? (Go)
There will be a coming together of the Body of Christ in unity? (Go)
Universal Elders Traveling Ministries (Go)
Walking In Submission Will Cause You To Grow In Christ. (Go)
What do the Scriptures teach how God designed the Church? (Go)
What is the Real Church, and what is its purpose? (Go)
What is the Scriptural Order of Apostles (Go)
Your Purpose in Life (Go)
Did God restore the 5-fold ministry? (Go)
John 3:16 What does it really mean? (Go)
Apostles and the 5-fold Ministries In the Bible (Go)
Questions and Answers: Please help me to connect the old testament ministers to the new testament fivefold offices clearly stating the similarities of these offices. (Go)
Bible Dictionary: Define Apostle, Definition of Apostle (Go)
The Duration of the Apostles--How Long Will Apostles Be In the Church? (Go)
What Does the Bible Say About False Apostles, False Prophets, False Teachers, and False Pastors? (Go)
Apostles are NOT Infallible. There are NO Infallible Human Beings. (Go)
Apostles Equip the Church with the Foundation (Go)
Apostles Equip the Church with Doctrine and Revelation (Go)
Apostles Equip the Church with Government (Go)
Apostles Equip the Members of the Churches with Spiritual Gifts (Go)
Twenty Apostles are Named in the New Testament of the Bible (Go)
Apostles Had the Ministries of Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, and Teacher (Go)
Who Sets an Apostle? How Do Apostles Become Apostles? (Go)

Deception


Challenging Those Who Are Preaching Evolutionism (Go)
Here Is A Quick Explanation Of Why Evolution Is Religious Dogma Of Many Cults And It Is Not Science (Go)
Evolution Dictionary: Definition Of The Terms Used By Evolutionism (Go)
What are some of the ways that evolutionists use words to confuse? (Go)
There Is Only One Sure Way To Avoid Being Deceived By Cults. (Go)
Mark 8:33 Satan Spoke Through Peter And Jesus Rebuked Satan (Go)
Matthew 16:21-23 Get Thee Behind Me, Satan (Go)
Feedback Question About Supposed Contradictions in the Bible (Go)
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Go)
How does human weakness keep scientists from understanding? (Go)
Was Peter the foundation of the church and the first pope? (Go)
Was There Such a Thing as The Apostolic Age? (Go)
Jeremiah 23:16-22 False Prophets (Go)
History: Myth Or Reality! History Is Not What It Used To Be. (Go)
Evolution is Fraud (Go)
Evolution is Flim-flam (Go)
Has The HIV Virus Demonstrated Evolution In Any Way? (Go)
Anonymous Comment: HIV is NOT Proof of Molecules-to-Man Evolution Plus Attacks Against the Bible (Go)
Anti-Bible Comment Claims that Exodus 21:1-11 says that the God of the Bible allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Go)
Anti-Bible Anti-God Comment Claims that God supported child abuse in Judges 11:29-40 (Go)
Anti-Bible Anti-God Comment Claims that God supported Bashing Babies Against Rocks (Go)
The Wild Idea That Huge Amounts Of Time (Go)
Building on Rock or Building on Sand (Go)
Questions and Answers: How Do You Debate a Team of Atheists Who Harass You at Work? (Go)
Questions and Answers: Atheist Asserts that Revelation Is Unreliable (Go)

God's Way


The Real Church is Not Only God's METHOD to Bring Us to Fulfillment, but it IS the Fulfillment (Go)
The Calling Of God (Go)
What are the Scriptural Christianity Teachings? (Go)
No Response: The Seed that Falls by the Way Side, the Trampled Path (Go)
Isn't God's way like a smorgasbord where you can pick and choose what you want or don't want? No. (Go)
What are the strengths and weaknesses that can be seen in the Church? (Go)
How do churches become confused? (Go)
Wisdom: Righteousness (Go)
Wisdom: Holiness (Go)
The Reality of Christ, the Head of the Body (Go)
To Successfully Fulfill Your Purpose in Life, You Must be Born Again (Go)
Gal 5:23 Questions and Answers: What do you mean by against such there is no law? (Go)
Questions and Answers: What is the Church; How should it be governed? (Go)
1Timothy 5:17-19, The Order Of Local Elders (Go)
1 Corinthians 1:1-4:2 The Pattern Of Apostles (Go)
1 Corinthians 12:28-30, God Hath Set Some In The Church, First Apostles, Secondarily Prophets, (Go)
2 Corinthians 11:13-14, False Apostles (Go)
Acts 15:2-16:4, God's Order For Establishing Doctrine In The Universal Church (Go)
Acts 8:14-20, Apostles Being Led By The Holy Spirit (Go)
Aren't There False Apostles Out There? (Go)
Is Being Filled With The Spirit And Speaking In Tongues Biblical? (Go)
Being Set Into Your Ministry By The Laying On Of Hands And Prophecy Of The Presbytery Will Build You Up (Go)
Discerning Christ In Your Brother or Sister, the Gifts, Ministries, Offices, and Ordinances of the Body of Christ (Go)
Don't Be Fooled By The Many False Promises Of The Worldly Systems And All Their Empty Promises (Go)
Don't Some Theologians And Scholars Say That There Were Only 12 Apostles And That Is All There Will Ever Be? (Go)
False Kingdoms (Go)
Following Hireling Preachers: The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. (Go)
Following people who were not sent by God (Go)
Galatians 2:2 Paul Went To The Other Apostles By Revelation To Make Sure He Was Not Off Track. He Was Not Independent. (Go)
God's method by which He intends to bring us all to fullness is through a body ministry operating in the Church He designed. (Go)
Was Peter the foundation of the church and the first pope? (Go)
Seek to Know God. (Go)
God's Order Works. (Go)
Is there really any pattern in Scripture for the Church? Yes. Most people don't like it. (Go)
Holiness Brings Clearer Vision and Hearing (Go)
How Can I Know God's Will And Be Led By The Spirit Of God? (Go)
Was There Such a Thing as The Apostolic Age? (Go)
James 5:14-15, The Elders Anoint With Oil For Healing (Go)
Feedback Question: James 5:13 (Go)
Jeremiah 23:16-22 False Prophets (Go)
Are the local churches to teach no other doctrine than the Apostle's Doctrine? (Go)
Misconceptions About the Church (Go)
Questions and Answers: What is the role of the deacons in this situation? (Go)
Aren't apostles something from the past? (Go)
Taking Ground, Holding Ground, Total Victory (Go)
The Problem Of Churches That Are Not Fulfilling Their Purpose. (Go)
Why is the 5-fold ministry of the Scripture so unpopular? (Go)
The Move of the Spirit of 1948 From the Papers and Memories of Milford E. Kirkpatrick (Go)
If the Bible's so great, why don't the churches of today look like the church of the New Testament? (Go)
What About Pastors, Elders and Deacons? (Go)
Your Purpose in Life (Go)
Why is the pattern of Scripture so important? (Go)
Is God's Way something where I can design it myself? (Go)
Isn't it just being picky to want to do things the Scriptural way? (Go)

Leading


Numbers 12:6-8 God Speaks: Visions, Dreams, and More Directly (Go)
Matthew 7:16-20 If A Person Says He Is Led By The Spirit To Do Evil, That Person Is A Liar. (Go)
How Can I Know God's Will And Be Led By The Spirit Of God? (Go)
How to Become More Sensitive to the Holy Spirit and to the Will of God (Go)
Acts 8:14-20, Apostles Being Led By The Holy Spirit (Go)
Don't Be Fooled By The Many False Promises Of The Worldly Systems And All Their Empty Promises (Go)
Following people who were not sent by God (Go)
Galatians 2:2 Paul Went To The Other Apostles By Revelation To Make Sure He Was Not Off Track. He Was Not Independent. (Go)
The Bible -- Satan Knows that He Can Keep You in Frustration if You are Not Faithfully being Fed by the Bible. (Go)
Questions and Answers: What is the Church; How should it be governed? (Go)
We Need To Be Led (Go)


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  • The 5 apostolic ministries (Ephesians 4:11)
  • The nine gifts of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:8-10)
  • Local congregations overseen by elders and deacons (Titus 1:5)
  • Every member having and being a ministry in the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:11)
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Human theology and reasoning is not necessarily correct, but the Bible is without error. The Bible can only be understood by revelation, and revelation is given by the Spirit of God. God does reveal in His own way. But we only know in part. If we think we know any thing, we do not know it as we ought. We are instructed, by God, to keep seeking Him. The Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. The truth sets us free. Lies bind us. Whoever seeks Jesus does find Him. Jesus is the truth.
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